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    Thanks, I’ll add one to my parts order for another project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreggW View Post
    You just can’t ever tell with 1911’s. This weekend with a bone stock TRP I had a failure to reset (never had this with a 1911 before), 4 light strikes, and a failure to feed. Also had two failures to lock back on an empty magazine. Pistol had less than 1k rounds through it.

    All these issues can be explained away and are probably easily fixed. My point is budget guns don’t always end up being budget in the end. Even higher grade production guns need work now and then. If I was determined to buy something off the rack at a lower price pint I would personally lean to Springfields. They’re warranty work is reported to be pretty good with quick turnaround. I don’t like everything about them but they’re workable.
    The question that begs to be asked. Are you sure the troubles described are not ammo related? Primers that are not fully seated result in "light strikes". The primer dimples yet since it wasn't fully seated it moves when struck thereby robbing momentum and not fully pinching the cup to the anvil. I've seen this many times on various pistols Glocks, M&P's and 1911's using both factory ammo and relaods.

    Failure to feed and failure to lock back can also be related to under powered ammo. Magazine interaction with the lobe on the slide stop also can cause failure to lock back with the magazine being the offender.

    Just pointing out that on paper other possibilities exist.

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    When it comes to 1911s' even high priced semi custom pistols can have problems which is why I think it's important to buy from manufactures who have great customer service. Right now I'd pick Ruger or Springfield as they have a history of making problem 1911s' right. I love the 1911, but it's like loving a woman who likes to frustrate you just for fun.

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    Recently, I've changed the way I refer to the different levels of 1911's: Catalog & Custom.

    There's more similarities between a Wilson and a Dan Wesson than there used to be. And there are more similarities than differences between a Springer and a Rock Island than before

    So, Wilson CQB, Nighthawk GRP, DW Vigil, Springer TRP, Colt Wiley Clapp, Ruger, etc., all are lumped into the "Catalog Pistol" group. MARS, Heriloom, Rogers, Garthwaite, etc. remain in the "Custom" group.

    Referring to them this way, implies that many are not custom, and "Semi-Custom" is irrelevant, and indicates my expectations with regards to performance
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    Quote Originally Posted by theJanitor View Post
    There's more similarities between a Wilson and a Dan Wesson than there used to be.
    As much as I'd like to be able to point out significant differences between a Dan Wesson Vigil CCO and a Wilson Combat Commander Compact it's basically impossible for me. They both use bar-stock parts and are hand-assembled. Sure the Vigil is a little more "assembly line" finished than the Wilson. But I'm more concerned with proper function than if my slide has a few extra tool marks on it. I can't really justify the almost $2500 premium for a Wilson in that regard.

    And there are more similarities than differences between a Springer and a Rock Island than before.
    Actually, I don't think the "than before" part is necessary. Because it implies there was a period of time where the base-model Springers were actually superior to the RIAs. In my experience the only place(s) where that is true is the hardness of the frame and slide. I've seen so many busted Springer Mil-Specs and Loadeds that I don't trust them to run out of the box at all. Springfield Armory's Custom Shop produces nice guns, everything else is a dice roll in my experience. I would only select a Springfield Custom gun as a duty weapon. Otherwise a Mil-Spec or Loaded is just a base gun for a "semi-custom" build. Whereas I might very well consider a Dan Wesson Specialist or Colt Rail Gun as a duty weapon.

    I admit a bias, but I simply do not trust Springfield Armory to build a quality 1911 on an assembly line.

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    @RevolverRob , for me it's mostly the fact that spending $3500+ on a "semi-custom" doesn't guarantee much nowadays. The custom guys are still the same. The "production" manufacturers and the "semi-custom" manufacturers are more closer than ever. but I don't think the "semi-custom" guys deserve their own category anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    As much as I'd like to be able to point out significant differences between a Dan Wesson Vigil CCO and a Wilson Combat Commander Compact it's basically impossible for me. They both use bar-stock parts and are hand-assembled. Sure the Vigil is a little more "assembly line" finished than the Wilson. But I'm more concerned with proper function than if my slide has a few extra tool marks on it. I can't really justify the almost $2500 premium for a Wilson in that regard.



    Actually, I don't think the "than before" part is necessary. Because it implies there was a period of time where the base-model Springers were actually superior to the RIAs. In my experience the only place(s) where that is true is the hardness of the frame and slide. I've seen so many busted Springer Mil-Specs and Loadeds that I don't trust them to run out of the box at all. Springfield Armory's Custom Shop produces nice guns, everything else is a dice roll in my experience. I would only select a Springfield Custom gun as a duty weapon. Otherwise a Mil-Spec or Loaded is just a base gun for a "semi-custom" build. Whereas I might very well consider a Dan Wesson Specialist or Colt Rail Gun as a duty weapon.

    I admit a bias, but I simply do not trust Springfield Armory to build a quality 1911 on an assembly line.
    That's funny. I trust milspecs and loadeds as much as g19s or M9s all straight out of the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03RN View Post
    That's funny. I trust milspecs and loadeds as much as g19s or M9s all straight out of the box.
    It's all a matter of individual experience. For example, Sensei had a bunch of trouble with his 9mm Colt Combat Unit Pistol and it probably soured him on Colts forever. I on the other hand have had pretty good luck with Colt 9mm guns and great luck with their 45s. I admit I've gone back to carrying a 45 because I don't think the 9mm guns Colt makes are quite as good as their 45s. I'd say the same thing about Springfield Armory based on my experience with them.

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    Just hitting this thread up to show what some people consider the way to set up a 9mm 1911 extractor.

    Note that in this photo, the only part of the extractor in contact with the case is where the hook hits the case groove. It took some time with a file to keep the nose of the extractor off of the case bevel (the extractor is a Wilson Bulletproof). I also wasn't able to get the extractor to even touch the case at first because the fitting pad kept the hook from flexing inwards to grasp the case. So I filed that down too.

    It's substantially different from the .45 I posted earlier and I have attached for comparison. Both will pass the 10-8 extractor test, though some people who know way more about 1911s than I do, believe the second photo is the way to go for all extractors of all calibers.

    Fwiw, I've fit the extractor for another 9mm the first way and it has seen a steady practice/competition cycle this year without any problems. Once I did, it passed the 10-8 test and it never had another malfunction, which is what I've come to expect reliability wise from a 1911.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03RN View Post
    That's funny. I trust milspecs and loadeds as much as g19s or M9s all straight out of the box.
    I have baby experience compared to the lot of you, however, I tend to agree with this guy right here. A couple of decades ago, I bought into the unreliable, obsolete, grandpa's pistol 1911 malarky. I've made the following NIB purchases: a SA MCOP, CRG, DW Specialist, and a really old Series 70 Gold Cup given to me by my late grandfather. Only mods were my preference of VZ's. Thousands upon thousands of rounds and the only malfunction I can recall across all 4 guns was a failure to lock back on empty with the Gold Cup, attributable to the original worn out mag. I suppose the right side safety on the CRG has shot a little loose, but bottom line I've experienced more malfunctions with my Glocks. I've never been given a reason to distrust a modern 1911 from a reputable manufacturer other than online forum horror stories.

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