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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck38 View Post
    Is it this stuff? They list MV as 1190 fps, pretty much standard.
    Thatís it. There seems to be a difference of opinion on the velocity. A couple vendors show 1300 fps, a couple others including ASW use the 1190 fps number. I havenít chronoíd it.
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    Shot some more of this today out of 3 different guns. It definitely "feels" like a 1300 fps load.
    Did pretty well out of my SIG P320RX:

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    The article is a bit fast and loose with the facts of the MHS ammo testing failures....
    Facts matter...Feelings Can Lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    The article is a bit fast and loose with the facts of the MHS ammo testing failures....
    Can you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtDave View Post
    Shot some more of this today out of 3 different guns. It definitely "feels" like a 1300 fps load.
    Did pretty well out of my SIG P320RX:
    Its apparently not a 1300fps load.

    1207fps avg from a 5" barrel, 1134fps average from a G19:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46OUlrJfSg

    Kind of a bummer, would have made a perfect 9BPLE training analogue had it been 1300fps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyderco monkey View Post
    Its apparently not a 1300fps load.

    1207fps avg from a 5" barrel, 1134fps average from a G19:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46OUlrJfSg

    Kind of a bummer, would have made a perfect 9BPLE training analogue had it been 1300fps.
    Agree that itís a bummer, but itís still worth checking out due to its apparent accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thy.Will.Be.Done View Post
    Can you elaborate?
    Army MHS ammo testing consisted exclusively of shooting rounds into 20 percent gelatin and then "modeling" the "lethality" of the rounds based on those results. No rounds fired through any type of standard barriers, or into the industry standard 10 percent ordnance gel.

    On the other hand, the "lethality" of the ammunition was a far, far distant consideration in the selection of the pistol. Remember, the Army contract was written so a single vendor would supply weapons, ammunition, and holsters - so, basically whatever pistol was chosen, that offeror's ammo and holsters were also selected.

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    Sadly that information is completely accurate--worst ammo testing ever done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    Sadly that information is completely accurate--worst ammo testing ever done.
    The projectile looks (from the outside only) like the old 147 SXT.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfan26 View Post
    The projectile looks (from the outside only) like the old 147 SXT.


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    It kind of reminded me of the somewhat 'newer' PDX-1 stuff.
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