Minneapolis bans "warrior" training for Police

[jnc36rcpd]

GardoneVT, many people do rotate the hoods forward on SLS holsters, either all the time or upon approach to danger. I don't care for the practice. A holster that relies solely on the SLS system for security has all the retention of a bucket with the hood forward, especially a holster that accommodates a WML. Moreover, if you vary your approach (e.g.: hood forward on car stops, but secured when on domestics), sooner or later, you're going to find it in the wrong position. Better to learn the manual of arms so that you consistently release retention devices on the draw.

That said, some officers and departments use holsters with no hood and depend on the ALS system for retention and release.

[GardoneVT]

GardoneVT, many people do rotate the hoods forward on SLS holsters, either all the time or upon approach to danger. I don't care for the practice. A holster that relies solely on the SLS system for security has all the retention of a bucket with the hood forward, especially a holster that accommodates a WML. Moreover, if you vary your approach (e.g.: hood forward on car stops, but secured when on domestics), sooner or later, you're going to find it in the wrong position. Better to learn the manual of arms so that you consistently release retention devices on the draw.

That said, some officers and departments use holsters with no hood and depend on the ALS system for retention and release.

Good to know,thanks for the context. My non LE training with a Level III holster was to disengage the hood and secondary retention switch in one motion during the draw- and at no other time

[Erick Gelhaus]

It's amazing to me that the Noor trial has been going on this week and hardly any outlets are covering it. Go figure.

I'm pretty surprised as well. For those interested in following it, here's a link to one station's coverage:
https://kstp.com/noortrial/

[Erick Gelhaus]

What is considered warrior training?

Calibre Press, the folks who started Street Survival, have also been heavily targeted. My org brought them in for a Constitutional Use of Force class for trainers and supervisors and it had to be defended.

[Gray01]

Calibre Press, the folks who started Street Survival, have also been heavily targeted. My org brought them in for a Constitutional Use of Force class for trainers and supervisors and it had to be defended.

That's because it is easier, cheaper and politically more expedient to bury any number of cops, than it is to defend against the inevitable consequences of doing the job and the loss of upward mobility for the leg hangers.

[Jeff22]

It’s aggravating when some elected clown with no relevant life experience or training makes a decision like this for political reasons.

There is a valid point in that you don’t want cops to be over-aggressive or excessively paranoid in dealing with people, but you don’t want them to be complacent and lack situational awareness either.

The training the mayor is specifically referring to is a seminar from Calibre Press (in conjunction with Col. Dave Grossman) which was called "The Bulletproof Warrior" (which I’m sure some of us in this group have been to ) One of the goals of the training is to make you a better observer and evaluator of people’s behavior. The class was presented by Calibre Press, who (through about three different versions of the company) has been doing quality police training all over the country since about 1980 or so.

There were a couple of controversial police shootings up around the twin cities in recent years. Rather than look at the real issues, his honor the mayor wants to blame some training he never personally attended because he can get some publicity out of it. Contemptible.

[Jeff22]

The Mayor has no idea what he’s talking about and he’s pandering to other fools who don’t know what they are talking about.

But a legitimate question IS how aggressive and proactive do you want to your police department to be? That’s a question for each community to decide and then they must’ve clearly express that expectation to the police department. And the prosecutors. And the Judges.

There is no point in a cop putting himself/herself at risk by being significantly more proactive than is supported by their supervisor, their agency, their prosecutors and their community.

Arrests in and if themselves really don’t accomplish much. Crime is only reduced when the criminals are locked up in jail or in prison, because if they're still out on bail, probation or parole, the likelihood is that they’ll still be offending.

The incident where Philando Castile was shot in 2016 (by an officer from Saint Anthony PD, a suburb of the twin cities) happened because a cop made a traffic stop on questionable reasonable suspicion, encountered a doper baked on marijuana carrying his CCW gun and the cop used poor tactics and the suspect couldn’t comprehend instructions because he was high, and the outcome was bad.

It WASN’T because the cop went to a Calibre Press class called “The Bulletproof Warrior”. It’s because the cop used poor tactics and the decedent was under the influence of THC and couldn’t mentally process and follow directions.

In that incident where the Somali immigrant turned Minneapolis cop shot that woman for no reason, that was because the Minneapolis PD was guilty of negligent hiring, negligent retention and negligent entrustment. That individual was hired because of minority status and not ability, and they retained him when they should not have, and a tragedy resulted. That’s not because somebody had a “warrior mentality” about the job — that incident went bad because somebody who should not ever have been the police was retained for political reasons.

[Jeff22]

Those of us who have been cops for any period of time will probably have worked with complacent officers who disregarded tactics because they didn’t really believe anything bad could ever happen to them.

And we’ve probably worked with officers who were unreasonably jumpy and nervous all the time who couldn’t read people or situations very well and who were likely to react poorly or to over react to critical situations.

The challenge of officer survival or tactical training is to increase an officer’s situational awareness without creating somebody who is jumpy and afraid all the time. Sometimes people get better with relevant training and sometimes they get better once they have a good base of experience and sometimes they get better because of good supervision and often they just don’t get better at all . . .

Like the cop said in the introduction to the “Survival Shooting Techniques” movie: “Preparedness is not paranoia”.

BUT for somebody viewing this from the outside with no relevant life experience or training, with a lot of misconceptions and who is temperamentally inclined to be easily offended by things they don’t understand — such a person could easily totally misunderstand what such training is all about.

[blues]

Preparation, (both physical fitness and skills), proper mindset and a measured response seem reasonable to me.

All the bogus labels and descriptors, (prompted by years of social media and news media shortcuts), don't do anyone any favors.

Just like we don't need names like "Avenger" or "Slayer" on our firearms or knives, we don't need to label relevant training with hyperbolic descriptors. It gives the public and the media leverage against our officers and agents, does no one any favors in court, and doesn't make the training any more useful or relevant.

Just the opinion of one retired LEO. It's value, (two cents, more or less), can be judged by my brethren who are still in harm's way.

[Old Man Winter]

It's amazing to me that the Noor trial has been going on this week and hardly any outlets are covering it. Go figure.

Noor was found guilty today of 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter.