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    Minneapolis bans "warrior" training for Police

    Up here in the northland, the mayor of Minneapolis has banned certain types of training for the city's officers even on their own dime and time. Some of my MPD contacts are not happy with the direction this is headed.

    https://www.officer.com/command-hq/n...ing-for-police

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36trap View Post
    Up here in the northland, the mayor of Minneapolis has banned certain types of training for the city's officers even on their own dime and time. Some of my MPD contacts are not happy with the direction this is headed.

    https://www.officer.com/command-hq/n...ing-for-police
    “Banning” officer attending any type of legal event on their own time and at their own expense is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

    As for the rest, the twin cities are a liberal hive - no surprise there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    “Banning” officer attending any type of legal event on their own time and at their own expense is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
    Maybe, but many agencies have codes of ethics that forbid officers from attending perfectly legal events which might reflect poorly on the department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    “Banning” officer attending any type of legal event on their own time and at their own expense is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
    Not necessarily. We had some pretty generic language in the rules and regs about off duty conduct. Example: officers attend a party at a legal strip club. Word gets out and it becomes a local news story. Department files internal charges for "conduct unbecoming" or some other catchall and disciplinary action ensues. Change "strip club" to a shooting class with a description of "learn to kill like a Navy SEAL" and the same results could occur.

    For officers that work as at-will employees there are even fewer restrictions on what the employer can do.

    People would do well to remember that completely unfair policies can be completely legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post
    People would do well to remember that completely unfair policies can be completely legal.
    As someone who once practiced employment law, so much this. There is a wide gulf between "unfair" and "unlawful" conduct by employers. (A union contract can add in "contractual violation" between the two.)
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    These actions are just feel good BS that panders to today’s politics. Proactive policing is dead an those with a warrior mindset are no longer needed in LE.

    What “they” don’t realize is this mindset is how you end up with Parkland school responses.

    Any trainer responsible for officer survival type training, which includes realistic scenario and force on force, understands how important mindset is.

    Failing to use enough force soon enough has been a constant killer of LE for as long as statistics have been kept.

    Trust me, when you are fighting for your life, or someone else’s, you will be better served with a warrior mindset than an officer friendly one.

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    Awwww, Minneapolis has its own Justin Trudeau clone/lookalike. How precious!

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    “Conduct Unbecoming” is a disciplinary action typically involves some type of moral turpitude. I think a City Attorney would have a difficult time arguing that a shooting course would fall under that category, and would have an even harder time arguing that the specific “warrior training” is “fear based.” It would be an even harder stance to win in court if you face a union.

    Unless Minnesota’s PD’s are like a Sheriff’s Office down here, they wouldn’t work at the pleasure of the mare. It sounds like a symbolic move without teeth because they “had to do something.”

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    “Courses like this reinforce the thinking that everyone is out to get police officers,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a research and policy organization based in Washington. “This teaches officers, ‘If you hesitate, you could lose your life.’ It is the exact opposite of the way many police chiefs are going.”

    Pulled this from the NYT article on this subject. A couple paragraphs down, it goes a step further, making the argument that training to see pre-attack indicators is part of the problem.

    For those considering this profession, just remember that dead cops are cheaper than UoF settlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fwrun View Post
    “Conduct Unbecoming” is a disciplinary action typically involves some type of moral turpitude. I think a City Attorney would have a difficult time arguing that a shooting course would fall under that category, and would have an even harder time arguing that the specific “warrior training” is “fear based.” It would be an even harder stance to win in court if you face a union.

    Unless Minnesota’s PD’s are like a Sheriff’s Office down here, they wouldn’t work at the pleasure of the mare. It sounds like a symbolic move without teeth because they “had to do something.”
    This ^^^.

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