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  1. #381
    Quote Originally Posted by jnc36rcpd View Post
    Screwball, do I understand that OFO is issuing G-17 magazine carriers in conjunction with spare G-19 magazines? If so, while Irealize they may not be optimal, but do they work? I'll remark that a nearby county issues both the G-17 and G-19, but spare magazines are all G-17 which makes remarkable sense.

    Agree completely on the stupidity of mandating Surefire X300's when the holster fits both that light and the TLR-1. While I don't thik I've rolled out in many years without a Surefire of some type on my person, Streamlight and other companies are definitely competing (or perhaps winning) the competition. for industry standard light.
    When they (OFO) sends us through the academy, you get Class 2 uniforms and leather gear... for the P2000. Both the nylon and leather magazine carriers are flap types, and 17/22 style. A lot of officers use them because of costs.

    With the 19 magazines, when they go in those carriers, they will bottom out in the pouch. The base plate will be against the top of the carrier loop. It works, but you really need to fingernail it to yank a magazine out that way. Whereas the Bianchi pouch I use, there is no flap... and the base is about 0.75” from the carrier’s edge.

    I had a X300 years back... and wasn’t a fan of the controls. My first weapon light was an Insight M3, which I favor that control... which is shared on the TLR-1. The TLR-7A is another contender... which has the push forward aspect of the Surefire... but doesn’t do both that and toggle up/down. However, I feel for officers that don’t have weapon lights already, or even if they do... a $100 light (I’ve seen them hovering around that with coupons) is more appealing than a $300 light (think that is MSRP... but even at $200, that is two times more).

    At times, I think they are doing it strictly so officers don’t carry them. And while I’ve seen people do stupid things with them... make officers carry a handheld light, and be done.

    Quote Originally Posted by TCB View Post
    Screwball, your FI (and your Manager?) can want uniformity all he wants but whatever is on the approved equipment list (should be able to find a link on the CBP homepage) is...approved for duty use. Once VF has the light bearing holsters available (or buy one with real $) order one and go qual with whatever approved light you want. Unless things are very different on the Blue side...
    Maine is a whole other world. It’s like Officer safety/well being is low on the list.

    Personally, I would have ordered the holster as soon as I knew what setups we ran... and had it ready to swap into the rig we use (CBP did issue a nice QD setup for the holster... so have to give them some credit). But the FI yesterday even threatened us that if someone walks in with a light tomorrow (well, today), he will strip the gun from the officer and let management sort it out.

    In regards to VF... any word on how long before they get up? And definitely across the entire agency? We get SRT stuff when we sign in (think AMO, as well as Agriculture Specialists [emoji849]), but figured we would have saw weapon lights already on there.

    I don’t think it is an OFO thing, but a Maine thing. Go south, I don’t hear issues like that with classmates.

    But we even have mixed signals within management. You can have one line tell us after two officers struggled getting a person out of a car to use a taser/test arc to compel an unruly passenger out of the car. And since we don’t have enough tasers for all... we have to sign them out each shift. With COVID, they locked them in a Chief’s office. I’ve had supervisors refuse to open the door at the start of my shift because someone else was coming in a little bit... and they can do it. Or long guns being in locations where it takes at least two minutes to get them into action... and then they say officers aren’t responsible when you argue that we pretty much are stuck with just handguns if s*** goes down.

    I love my job, and most of the new officers are great people that want to be here. Senior officers... it depends. A good few take their job in a way that makes me want to stay. But a noticeable amount... makes me wish I didn’t buy my house. Only real positive I can say about them... that FI allowed me eleven P2000 magazines and some .40 ammo (my dad has a USP40 Compact). I’ll try not to tell myself it was because it was less for him to have to deal with.

    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    I think the big culprit is that LE training tends to be "SPEND-EX" style training. Get as many people on the line as your safety standards allow for RSO:shooter ratio, throw rounds down range against a general loose standard instead of personalized performance-driven standards, and minimal personalized feedback from qualified "instructors." I put instructors in quotes because LE instructors tend to not be actual skilled instructors, they're really just RSOs, and usually just blurt out bullshit that doesn't actually help anyone's shooting skill. The FIs at FLETC in particular I found to be absolutely fucking abysmal.

    I honestly think that most LEOs would be better shooters even if we halved the amount of range time they get on paper but gave them more personalized shooting instruction on timers and whatnot. I honestly don't care for LE range training which is generally just a big oogie-cookie of incompetence, and rather just prefer to leave the range as soon as I'm qual'd and go shoot on my own at public range (RTSP when I was in NJ, that should be familiar to you ).
    Our two FIs... we just have to keep them separated or one will JIC the other. Had a supervisor who was an FI... which I wish didn’t take a job down at FLETC. Actually one of the more level headed guys we had. Also have a Chief who is definitely one to back the officers... but again, leaving soon.

    FLETC, it was a mixed back. The CBP FIs were pretty good. The one for my session was legacy... whichever side that had 686s prior to the Clinton EO on purchasing duty weapons. The head guy down there knew his stuff. Actual FLETC guys... complete asshats. One told a trainee to move a vehicle with a shotgun on the back. When another trainee moved it (safely, I will add), he yelled at him for doing it. Another yelled at me for using BoreSnakes to make cleaning a little quicker... yet the CBP FI said it was fine.

    Training... it’s like whatever the best way would be, CBP goes 180° and does the opposite. Hell, I’d love to see the rational on how an M4 works better on the land border over a shotgun... but hey, we will just send them back. Put a full-auto M4 in hands that barely can handle a Glock 19. [emoji106]

    I was down in Monmouth County, but heard of RTSP.

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    I really want one of those CBP 26's with the flared mag well and 11 round mags.
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  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by TCB View Post
    Screwball, your FI (and your Manager?) can want uniformity all he wants but whatever is on the approved equipment list (should be able to find a link on the CBP homepage) is...approved for duty use. Once VF has the light bearing holsters available (or buy one with real $) order one and go qual with whatever approved light you want. Unless things are very different on the Blue side...
    It is a common belief that anything on the AEL is approved across CBP. That is not the case. Individual CBP components can "de-authorize" equipment depending on local policy, etc.

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    Wow...that is all sorts of dicked up.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by TCB View Post
    Wow...that is all sorts of dicked up.
    Not really. Rather than manage three different lists for the Big Three and several other lists for the other "gun toters" it is easier to make one list and allow each component to use the list as necessary.

    Same goes for the Use of Force Policy. It is one policy for all of CBP but not every action is authorized. Warning shots on the high seas for example.

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    Mainly referring to Screwballs post...the list thing kind of makes sense.

  7. #387

    CBP Announces the Glock

    Quote Originally Posted by Tokarev View Post
    It is a common belief that anything on the AEL is approved across CBP. That is not the case. Individual CBP components can "de-authorize" equipment depending on local policy, etc.

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    That being said... they (managers) need to officially put something out, correct? We just got word of mouth thus far.

    Kind of a s***y thing for different ports within an AOR to have different stances. Literally, two hours south of me... an airport of 12 officers got it cleared.

    I had a Chief start a fight to get our M4s moved for better access... so hopefully we might be able to get one out before someone dies. I might have a part in that (I was the one who voiced the opinion, and said I’m willing to carry some responsibility with them being there), so will have to see how it goes. The FI said he was shut down when he asked to move them, so don’t know what is going on with it. Kind of annoyed I started 6 days off today.

  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by JodyH View Post
    I really want one of those CBP 26's with the flared mag well and 11 round mags.
    Also interested. I wonder if we'll eventually see a commercial version...?


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  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Also interested. I wonder if we'll eventually see a commercial version...?


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    That is something that would definitely interest me.

  10. #390
    Just announced is the winner of the new ammo contract. CBP is going with Speer 147 G2. I'm not sure yet if there's anything specific to the CBP load but I'm sure we'll know more about it over the coming weeks and months.

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