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    Air soft? Any value.

    So recently there was a video about Travis Haley and why he plays airsoft. Has anybody played airsoft with the intention of improving your mobility etc? Is there any training value in it or is it more for entertainment ? Anyone experienced on the CQB side of things, does it actually assist in training?

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    I imagine its an excellent way for the wife to collect on my life insurance policy. That looks like a lot of running around.

    Its a game so that has to be remembered. Plus things don't go through walls. Having said that I know of several good locations that use airsoft in their actual force on force training.
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    Got a link to the video? I use airsoft for in-home drills and such, but have also considered getting into airsoft at the local airsoft field/range/whatever-the-hell-they-call-it for the firearms-related movement and tactics. I'd be interested in seeing what others have to say.

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    This was years ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHA-rhGeG4
    This was the recent one
    The end bit he discusses airsoft vs realsteel
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHA-rhGeG4

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    I prefer Airsoft to Simunitions for force on force training, due to lower requirements for protective gear, and much easier cleanup. Plus, there's no way for an Airsoft gun to be loaded with live ammunition, a big plus for agencies that are doing simunitions "conversion" on duty pistols for training, and, unfortunately end up shooting each other with real ammo.

    As with any FOF training, the keys are to have a well scripted scenario with specific training goals (e.g. no Kobayashi Maru scenarios with squads of Nazi frogmen rappeling out of the overhead behind guys) and TIGHTLY controlled role players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalms144.1 View Post
    I prefer Airsoft to Simunitions for force on force training, due to lower requirements for protective gear, and much easier cleanup. Plus, there's no way for an Airsoft gun to be loaded with live ammunition, a big plus for agencies that are doing simunitions "conversion" on duty pistols for training, and, unfortunately end up shooting each other with real ammo.

    As with any FOF training, the keys are to have a well scripted scenario with specific training goals (e.g. no Kobayashi Maru scenarios with squads of Nazi frogmen rappeling out of the overhead behind guys) and TIGHTLY controlled role players.
    Would you then say the social “pitch up and play” games not offer anything of value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flux View Post
    Would you then say the social “pitch up and play” games not offer anything of value?
    Minimal use, unless you need your ego bruised by being peppered by a bunch of kids who do that all the time and know all the angles. Most of the "games" I've seen move as such a ferociously fast pace that there's not a lot of time to evaluate the situation, develop tactics, etc - mostly just "run and gun" stuff...

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    Air soft? Any value.

    I’ve had good experience with airsoft as a FoF training tool. Except for getting shot in the dickhole. That was not a good experience.

    It’s also a great way for less experienced people to get a reality check about what they can and can’t do with their gun.
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    Airsoft is as good of a tool as you make it.

    Realistic and well done force on force that puts a student in a situation that makes him think and make decisions while also getting a way to realistically evaluate his current skills is a great tool and use for airsoft.

    That said, going down to local airsoft field and playing real life Call Of Duty with kids and out of shape gamer nerds (no disrespect intended, I love games too sometimes) wont be of much value. The scenarios arent realistic, people lie about being hit, and everyone just does absurd dumb stuff.

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    Well done airsoft in FOF is very useful. Here's a piece by my good friend Karl Rehn who was one of the early pioneers of such usage. https://www.krtraining.com/KRTrainin...SWAT-Karl1.pdf

    Here's an older thread from here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....s-for-Training

    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....rsoft-Training

    Here's a book: Force-On-Force Police Training Using Airsoft: A Manual for the Law ...
    By Luis E. Martinez, Luis E. Martinez Med

    I've done quite a bit of it in well scripted and refereed classes. Works pretty well in my civilian opinion. It can hurt and draw blood from surface booboos.

    Japanese users to real guns: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ting-firearms/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatsuya_Sakai_(marksman)
    Last edited by Glenn E. Meyer; 04-29-2020 at 01:23 PM.

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