No.
I've explained the subjective/objective test, and how it relates to AOI several times, and was on the phone with people for 3 hours, twice, with written material sent to people in advance of the conference call.
I've tried to make it as clear as I can that the concept needs to be understood before it can be applied to any situation.
It's NOT something that needs to be done in the heat of the moment, it's something that needs to be understood before the situation, and it answers the questions about what happens after the situation.
During the situation, someone has to make decisions within the bounds of the rules for use of force they happen to be in, and if they can't do that in real time, based on training and experience filtered through the rules for the use of force they happen to be under...then that is a problem.
You are making it sound like I'm saying they have to have a criminal law textbook in hand when the fight is going on, and I never said that.
I'm getting a bit frustrated myself when people are taking about what the jury will say, or trying to play with the definition of what reasonable force is as applied to a use of force situation, when they won't even give more than a passing focus on how those terms are explained or applied to the situation in the first place.
It's like talking about speed shooting and accuracy, when you have neither defined what is "fast shooting" or
"accuracy" in anything resembling measurable terms.
"Shooting fast enough to shoot what you need to shoot!" and "Accuracy defined as minute of man!" is as helpful in a discussion of technical shooting and training as taking about "How will we know what a jury will think in looking at a fight and my choices in that fight?"
The information regarding use of force review was presented previously, in this and other threads.
Hopefully in usable, understandable format so that discussion could be had in meaningful terms. If it was not, show me where I was unclear, and I'll be happy to edit/explain.
When someone wants to talk about learning to shoot, they need to understand how to execute a correct trigger press if they want to improve - end of discussion. If they won't go learn that, then they are just not on the same page as people who want to learn how to shoot.
So to here.
To discuss use of force laws in terms of how they apply pre, during and post fight, and the evaluation by reviewing parties after the incident, the terms & standards which are relevant need to be understood, then applied to the facts at hand...Or you aren't discussing anything of value.
People are making much more of it than it really needs to be.
Merely because it involves "law" does not make it complex, any more than shooting fast is complex or boxing is complex.
It is the application of fundamentals in real time.
It's just different fundamentals.