Hell noOriginally Posted by JFK
Hell no
Marketing towards the money CAN'T go away..it's all these places have left, they honestly can't say they offer an above average education, because they don't educate, they indoctrinate..
That's not really true. It's an Internet cliche. Plenty of kids in the STEM fields who get solid educations in math, science, computer science, etc.
The Humanities have become more political. Depending on the social science field - you can get either. The hard edge of psychology/neuroscience or physical anthropology are solid disciplines. Business programs aren't dens of communism (haha).
Want to fix colleges, get rid of college manly sports that attract the more conservative fan base as well as the softer Humanities that lost disciplinary focus for activism.
Corruption from both sides of the aisle - don't forget it.
The problem isn't the manly sports. It's the focus on making money from those manly sports.
Men will always find an outlet for their innate aggression. Society either gives them a positive outlets or they will find negative ones. But an outlet will be found.
Last edited by Alpha Sierra; 03-19-2019 at 10:12 AM.
I have a better idea..want to fix colleges? Simple. Cut off the student loans..On the surface that may seem cruel, but really it's not, colleges all over the country look at the next group of students as a bunch of schmucks..waiting to be fleeced. You want to take this course, that's another $3000, student: "but I don't have $3000 college: go get a loan... and of course the Gov't is all too happy to load the kid up with debt, that all too often he'll never be able to pay back....by cutting off the loans, the most important thing this would do, is force colleges to compete, something they haven't had to do for 40 years, and by forcing them to compete with each other on titution, and everything else, several things would happen, titution would start dropping as it would be seeking a fair market price. Colleges heavily in debt, and heavily dependent on student loan debt to operate would fail and go out of business. Tenure, would also start falling by the wayside (and that's a good thing) nobody, and I don't care who you are, is so good you can't be replaced.. The students, in the summer, could do what kids like them did before, go get a job and try to help their parents who are mostly footing the bill, if they want a mostly free ride go enlist in the military for a few years.. But one thing is clear..this debt cycle has to be broken.. Another benefit is that colleges would be forced to tighten their belts, so, utterly worthless courses would start dissapearing, and the more solid, proven courses would stay, this means that very probably alot of commie professors would be looking for work, And, that really is a good thing..
Last edited by ralph; 03-19-2019 at 10:33 AM.
You want free college? Work your ass off in school to be good enough to be admitted to one of the five service academies. Guaranteed employment too.
We just recieved a memo from the upper echelons at the state place, the gist of which was: "we need to cut 8 percent, and this fancy study we commissioned says that payroll is our number one cost..." as if this was some sort of surprise. Folks, there have been many articles in the MSM over the years tying rising tuition to administrative bloat. It’s been discussed here before. Currently, there are 4 admins for each classroom prof in USA higher ed. A large chunk of tuition is going towards those VP of diversity offices—each with a mini-hierarchy of employees—while an average of another 12-15 percent is going to service debt on building expansion. Tenure sure isn’t the problem: less than 26 percent of classroom profs are tenured, nationwide. This is by design: tenured faculty can vote and speak out against the sorts of activities driving costs, so there has been a concerted effort amongst the administrative class to reduce the lines by attrition.
As well, without tenure no way someone like Jordan Peterson would still have an academic job—not that he needs the money at this point. JMO, from inside the can.
Fastest way to reduce tuition would be to cut plump and unnecessary legs of admin.
”But in the end all of these ideas just manufacture new criminals when the problem isn't a lack of criminals.” -JRB
And, the fastest way to do that, would be to cut off the frieght train of studen loan money that comes rolling in every fall, one can't operate without the other, Cut off the endless debt flow, and watch how fast these colleges tune up, and cut costs. Forcing them to compete with each other for paying students, would be one of the best things thst could happen for the student.. He/She would get a higher education at a much more reasonable cost.
Fair enough. There is no doubt that students are being encouraged to pile up more debt than many will be able to service.
”But in the end all of these ideas just manufacture new criminals when the problem isn't a lack of criminals.” -JRB
That differs from my experience. Biz school is full of 'ethics' classes that teach complete nonsense and litigation avoidance, 'social responsibility' classes, etc. etc. Biz school is a perfect example of "those who can't do" teaching, and most of them are liberal washouts from the productive economy, who couldn't do it because they don't get it.
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