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Thread: Countries Restricting 737 MAX Flights After Second Crash

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    There have been over 10,000 737 aircraft made, and they are flown all over the world with all sorts of skill level pilots. Having two of this new variant fatal in less than a year is either extremely bad luck or there is a problem with some part of the new design.
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    ...or, there's a problem with how they're being operated & maintained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    There have been over 10,000 737 aircraft made, and they are flown all over the world with all sorts of skill level pilots. Having two of this new variant fatal in less than a year is either extremely bad luck or there is a problem with some part of the new design.
    This statement makes some sort of presumption that the 737 was squeaky clean prior to the MAX.

    Yeah, there were 10,000 made and flown all over the world with all sorts of skill level pilots, but there were also 368 accidents, 184 hull losses, and almost 5,000 fatalities. The MAX has a hull loss rate similar to the Classic line, entirely due to two third-world shit airlines with known operational and safety issues that at various points have not been allowed to operate in the airspace of modernized countries.
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    My bet is on pilot error due to lack of training. From what i understand, the 727Max whatever is a different animal from other 737 airframes. Itís most likely marked as a 737 to avoid a full blown qualification program. Iíll also wager it was marketed as a simple transition airframe aka less training to get up to speed. PowerPoint or online training modules instead of real training. Coupe all that with third world airlines and its kind if juggling nitroglycerin. Nothing good can come of it. In this instance you have 300 plus dead folks.

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    From the WSJ:

    The U.K., France, Germany and Ireland all grounded the aircraft within about an hour of each other. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administrationís counterpart in Europe, later extended those bans to all of the EU.

    That followed overnight moves by Australia, Malaysia and Singapore and decisions by China, Indonesia and several carriers in Latin America to suspend operations on Monday.
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    Where's @Suvorov?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    From the WSJ:

    The U.K., France, Germany and Ireland all grounded the aircraft within about an hour of each other. The European Union Aviation Safety Agency, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administrationís counterpart in Europe, later extended those bans to all of the EU.
    Don't discount the politics involved. Think Airbus.
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    From Dallas Morning News:

    Pilots repeatedly voiced safety concerns about the Boeing 737 Max 8 to federal authorities, with one captain calling the flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient" several months before Sunday's Ethiopian Air crash that killed 157 people, an investigation by The Dallas Morning News found.

    The News found at least five complaints about the Boeing model in a federal database where pilots can voluntarily report about aviation incidents without fear of repercussions.

    The complaints are about the safety mechanism cited in preliminary reports for an October plane crash in Indonesia that killed 189.

    The disclosures found by The News reference problems during Boeing 737 Max 8 flights with an autopilot system, and they all occurred while trying to gain altitude during takeoff -- many mentioned the plane turning nose down suddenly. While records show these flights occurred during October and November, the information about which airlines the pilots were flying for is redacted from the database.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    ...or, there's a problem with how they're being operated & maintained.
    I'm going to go with this. At this point, absent any more information, I'm taking this as a huge overreaction on the part of airworthiness authorities to appease the flying public.

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