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  1. #61
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    speed of the draw

    I've had an electronic timer since 1992 or so (before that I'd sometimes borrow one from my USPSA club)

    About twenty years ago I became curious about my own speed (which is slow) and so I did tests with the timer, one shot at 7 yards to an A zone hit on a USPSA target. I did it with different guns and different holsters, beginning with my duty gun and gear (which was a traditional Sig 226 DA/DA and Safariland SLS holster back then) and then with a kydex OWB concealment holster and a leather OWB concealment holster (both from concealment under a BDU top, and open carry)

    I did each combination a dozen times and through out the fastest rep and the slowest rep and figured out an average.

    Those notes still exist because I found them when I moved a couple of years ago, although I'm not sure where they are at this exact moment since I'm still unpacking and organizing stuff . . . .

    In any case, I (think) I remember that my average with the Sig out of a duty rig was about 1.75 second.

    I think I should find those notes, organize them, and then run the test again and see what I come up with.

    In any case, on the street, for real, regardless of your gun and holster combination, half a second probably isn't going to matter because you probably aren't going to go that fast "for real" -- situational awareness, tactics, movement, and (in some cases) use of available cover are going to be more important to your survival.

  2. #62
    I seem to remember Tom Givens saying that:
    Pull the slide back and release it because this gives the slide more travel and momentum than using the slide release. This helps to strip a cartridge from the magazine and chamber it.

    As to other concerns things to consider, physical disabilities, gloves vs size of control levers, how numb/damaged are your hands ?

    Pick your method and rock on.

    I have trained slide release lever, overhand and slingshot method at various times. I have also transitioned from slide release lever to overhand in the moment when the lever did not release the slide.

  3. #63
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    the significance of time

    “The major problem with competitive shooting is a preoccupation with inconsequential increments of time. Lost time measured in scant hundredths if a second mean nothing in a fight, but accumulate and can become significant in a match with 10 or 12 stages.
    For self defense, we want the most robust techniques, meaning they work reliably over a broad range of circumstances and under sub-optimal conditions.”
    —Tom Givens in the article “Finding Relevant Training” from the book “Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the experts want you to know” edited by Massad Ayoob

    Tom Givens expressed this thought better than I could. One needs to be timely in their reactions without being obsessive.

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