I have a Maglula, it's not hard to load the last round. IMO it's not worth dropping the magazine, loading another round (Maglula or no) and reinserting the magazine for a bullet that's not likely to make any difference at all.Originally Posted by SAWBONES
I've only ever had one issue with a MagPul Glock magazine. My wife fired my Glock19 at the range and got a weird stovepipe but I've never been able to replicate it.
Sounds like much like a depends on the gun these days type of thing.
Remember, just prior to Glock, the major gun manufacturers were putting limiters (those little dimples at the bottom of the magazines), like the 15 round Sig and Beretta magazines. That forced you to “download by 2”, IE onlyallow 15 in what could have been a 17 round magazine.
Last edited by Bucky; 02-22-2019 at 05:19 AM.
How's that?
Last edited by Alpha Sierra; 02-22-2019 at 05:28 AM.
I believe the implication is that if you draw but don't fire, and the person you drew on accuses you of firing, it's very easy to prove you didn't fire by showing that your gun and magazines are all loaded to maximum capacity, whereas if you didn't load to +1, then it's possible you could have been +1 and then fired a shot.
Last edited by olstyn; 02-22-2019 at 06:55 AM.
That's a theory, but not very convincing.
When everything adds up to N+1, there's less room to say things didn't add up on your side.
Standard practice here at an OIS is everyone at the scene at the time of the shooting gets their gun(s) counted down. If everything adds up to N+N+N+1 were good. We've had guys that weren't shooting come up short, congratulations buddy you just bought yourself some ring time in an OIS investigation. We can't reasonable say that all rounds were accounted for.
Lets say that you're accused of cranking a round off at someone. He said she said sort of thing. Police can't find any shell casings or bullet holes at the crime scene (or in some parts of town can't determine how long they've been there), no witness that heard anything, firearm appears to have not been recently fired and all rounds accounted for. When you and/or your lawyer are talking to the police, you're going to able to present a much neater package fits with what your saying vs what the other party is saying. I'm not saying that downloading rounds is going to be some pivotal event in a shooting investigation, but when we want to close out and throw a bullshit case in the trashcan, it's little loose ends that keep it sticking around.
Edited: The longest running case, that's like a case of the herpes, it just won't go away and flares up at inopportune times, involves a suicide 14 years ago. Drug addict called 911 said he was going to commit suicide, single gunshot is heard in 911 recording, first officer on scene forces entry into hotel, finds deceased in bathtub, and secures the revolver in his squad car. That revolver must have been like a lonely little puppy that needed a new home. When crime scene came through and took photos, that revolver was not in any crime scene photos. The family was very affluent and has spent who knows how many hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees trying to get the ME's ruling changed to an unexplained death. They're all hung up on the issue that there's no picture of the revolver in the crime scene photos. It's one little issue that's kept this around long past it's shelf life. In this case it's actual sloppy police work. It's much easier to get rid of or indefinitely suspend cases that are going nowhere when we can't be accused of sloppy police work.
Last edited by txdpd; 02-22-2019 at 11:42 AM.
Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right.
That's why this place is so valuable to a .civ like me.
I would have had no idea that this was a consideration. It makes perfect sense to me. Thanks.
Top reason why at a minimum I run a Bore-Snake a few times through my pistol in between shooting and carrying... and I carry +1.
Probably won't keep me from getting arrested but is one additional link in the chain of exculpatory evidence.
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Demonstrably false theory that took me less that 30 seconds to figure out.
I held my Glock at an orientation where the magazine was near horizontal to make it as hard to eject as possible. I don't have an angle in my back pocket, but I'm guessing it was about 10* off horizontal....certainly nowhere near vertical.
I ejected the fully loaded 15 round mag on a closed slide. It fell out.
I downloaded by 1. It still sprung out of the magwell.
I downloaded to only 2 rounds in the magazine (so I downloaded by 13 rounds).
It still sprung out of the magwell.
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I already explained how your second paragraph is wrong. Now I'm going to tackle the first one.
First of all, springs exert a force not a pressure. Second of all Hooke's Law (which governs spring force per change in unit of length) is a linear, not exponential, equation. The change in spring force from a partial to a full magazine is not exponential, no matter what it might seem to you.
The only reason I address this nonsense is that others don't take your "expertise" and either act on it or repeat it as if it were right.
Facts matter. Data matters. Verifiable information matters. Subject matter expertise matters.
Last edited by Alpha Sierra; 02-22-2019 at 12:39 PM.
