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    Worry much more about fit in the cylinder throats than the bore. And, that old belief that harder is better is just not true. A BHN of 10-12 works great when they fit the throats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra View Post
    At least that was my take from reading this: http://missouribullet.com/technical.php and this: http://www.lasc.us/FryxellCommentsCBAlloys.htm

    What's your take on all that?
    To be honest, I don't really worry much about lead hardness. I use wheel weights and *might* water quench ones I know are going into a magnum handgun or rifle load. I focus more on fit to the gun in question, which is why I have a pile of pin gauges for 32, 38, 44, and 45 calibers.

    That's not to say it isn't important, just that I haven't reached a level where it is a factor for me and my shooting. That said, I'm about to embark on serious cast bullet work for my 35 Whelen, so I may find myself working with the alloy and hardness more than previously. In my revolvers, I get the results I'm after by focusing on bullet quality (going about the casting process properly) and using a size appropriate to the gun.

    Both articles are good sources of information. Glenn Fryxell in particular is a great source of info about casting.

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    @mtnbkr and @Wayne Dobbs thanks for expanding my understanding of this

    One more question, what do I measure in a semi auto's barrel to pick the correct bullet diameter?
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    Ideally the throat just ahead of the chamber. But....sometimes that is hard to precisely measure and if you do get a measurement and size cast bullets accordingly, you can't get the rounds to chamber. Bullet fit vs gun dimensions are sometimes hard to mate up. There is a guy on Cast Boolits Forum, by the handle of DougGuy that runs a business in which he reams/uniforms cylinders and chamber/throats to make guns much more accurate and consistent with any bullets, but particularly cast ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra View Post
    @mtnbkr and @Wayne Dobbs thanks for expanding my understanding of this

    One more question, what do I measure in a semi auto's barrel to pick the correct bullet diameter?
    My pleasure.

    For semi-autos, slug the barrel by driving a dead soft lead ball through the barrel, then measure the slug. That said, with a semi, you have fewer variables (no cylinder with multiple throats for example), so you can get where you need to go with experimentation if you aren't prepared to measure directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    There is a guy on Cast Boolits Forum, by the handle of DougGuy that runs a business in which he reams/uniforms cylinders and chamber/throats to make guns much more accurate and consistent with any bullets, but particularly cast ones.
    Is that the guy who ran Cylindersmith.com?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr View Post
    Is that the guy who ran Cylindersmith.com?

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    I think he's a different guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    Worry much more about fit in the cylinder throats than the bore. And, that old belief that harder is better is just not true. A BHN of 10-12 works great when they fit the throats.
    The worst leading I ever experienced was with commercial hard-cast .38 wadcutters out of a Security Six.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    Worry much more about fit in the cylinder throats than the bore. And, that old belief that harder is better is just not true. A BHN of 10-12 works great when they fit the throats.
    When I was shooting SSR in IDPA with the 125 power factor, I went through thousands of Zero swaged RNLs over a max load of Titegroup in my M67 at ~830 fps. I did a class where I went through >700 rounds in one day, only occasionally brushing out the chambers. No leading whatsoever, but it took a lot of elbow grease, BreakFree and 0000 steel wool to get the black off the outside of the cylinder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revchuck38 View Post
    it took a lot of elbow grease, BreakFree and 0000 steel wool to get the black off the outside of the cylinder.
    A stainless steel revolver and either Flitz or Brasso metal polish are your friends.

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