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Thread: The Run your Gun Standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Duffy View Post
    Congratulations! You’re the first person to ever make my ignore list.
    So instead of actually thinking about why someone might disagree with you, you just double down. Cool.

    BTW, for someone so fond of quoting "SMEs" you were quick to argue with Wayne Dobbs (who fits the definition of Subject Matter Expert in this field) when he tells you that police quals are typically too easy and that training should be harder than that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Duffy View Post
    I don't consider it piling on , because I understand and even agree with your point of view. Accuracy is essential. But I think your standards for accuracy, especially accuracy at a longer distance demonstrates a law enforcement bias. A civilian would have trouble justifying a 10 yard shot as self defense. Caleb's Run Your Gun Standard is an excellent test of overall shooting prowess, being a combination of draw, speed, and accuracy. But it's pretty much unobtainable for the average shooter given that one range session a week of a hundred rounds is "really working at it" and generally non-sustainable because life gets in the way.
    I just spent quite a bit of time searching for a video interview, posted on pistol forum in 2014 or 2015, by a Chicago SWAT team lieutenant who'd been involved 12 or so gunfights of the course of his career. His practice sessions were mostly at very close range, perhaps 3 yards with a smaller revolver, large XS sights, and a disproportionate attention to weak hand shooting. He said you'll usually be opening a door, carrying something or someone, escorting civilians, etc.
    My view has also been formed by some of John Murphy's videos showing incidents caught on surveillance cameras of actual muggings and robberies. Everything happens really close and really fast. Makes me think having a laser is better than having a red dot.
    I like the FBI qualification test. It's a test in which you have to demonstrate strong hand and weak hand shooting, reasonable facility with reloads, emphasizes more short distance shooting, while still including 25 yard shots. It also shows where you have particular areas of weakness that need to be improved while still passing the test. I think the qualification test is more than adequate for the FBI, given the nature of their work. They investigate, interview, and write reports. If you made the qualification sufficiently harder, you'd end up with a bunch of gunslingers who mostly couldn't do the work. If every cop and CCW holder could pass this qualification we'd be in a much better place.
    If Caleb's goal is to consistently hit a 4 inch heart sized target, why not just go for a headshot? Maybe because if he misses by a bit he's still got a hit on the Q target - a number of which will prove to be very effective.
    Yep, you know what's best compared to Wayne.
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    To get back on track,

    As soon as I get a break in the weather, I'll be taking up Wayne's and Jetfire's advice and take a stab at the RYG and new FBI qual.

    The times and round counts make them definitely revolver friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    The new FBI Pistol Qual just released and it's a bit more sporty:


    50 rounds 100 points possible 90 or above for instructors
    How are they scoring that? Down one if outside the squares?
    "Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Sierra View Post
    To get back on track,

    As soon as I get a break in the weather, I'll be taking up Wayne's and Jetfire's advice and take a stab at the RYG and new FBI qual.

    The times and round counts make them definitely revolver friendly.
    When I was thinking this one up, I based it a little bit on the Bianchi Cup Practical, which is revolver friendly. I also like 6 shot strings for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post
    How are they scoring that? Down one if outside the squares?
    It's all or nothing. Inside the bottle is two points, outside is zip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    It's all or nothing. Inside the bottle is two points, outside is zip.
    The bottle is HUGE, and yet I know people will still struggle to pass it. Sad face

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    It's all or nothing. Inside the bottle is two points, outside is zip.
    Damn, I thought they had gotten serious.
    "Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA

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    IIRC, the QIT bottle is about the same size as the -1 on an IDPA target. Can anyone verify this? I sometimes have issues due to CRS.

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    So close..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCT125US View Post
    So close..
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    That's good shooting though!

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