To the best that I've been able to research over the years, these numbers are all anecdotal.
I got interested in motor learning years ago and bought several textbooks over time, slogging through them.
I was hoping to find real vetted methods to improve training. Turns out, there's not a whole lot.
Anders Ericsson popularized the notion that it took 10,000 hours of Deliberate practice to become an expert. He arrived at this using musicians who were self reporting
estimates about their practice sessions. They were guesstimating the amount of time they were really bearing down versus noodling around.
The 5000(or 3000 or 300, it varies) number was pulled out of midair as far as I can tell.
Thing is, the research, such as it is, is based on self reporting by freshmen kids being supervised by grad students...and the task they're training is usually very
simple- free throws or such.
Nope. Been running ARs and 1911s since the beginning. Never missed the safety or forget to safe before hanging or holstering.
I don't think a DA/SA is complicated, I adds complexity for no benefit.
I was in a high stress shooting with a DA/SA and the transition to the SA part threw me. Got rid of it ricky-tick after ten years of it and went SAO. Some people like two radically different trigger pulls on the same pistol, I think it's tom-foolery. One or the other.
If anyone in the class uses a revolver for their main carry and training weapon, pulling the trigger proves nothing other than one slot in the cylinder was not live. Yeah, I know it’s the Semi-Auto forum but a few of us are known to carry revolvers time to time. I only mentioned the oddness to me of the trigger-pull thing as an illustration of the black-box aspect of striker fired mechanisms.
I think it is quite simple, people want a trigger that is as forgiving as a LEM or DAO but to be as easy to shoot as a tuned shadow or 9mm 1911. Until then, this discussion always comes back around.
I think many people get too wrapped up in triggers and analyze stuff so much that they perceive it to be a bigger issue then it is. Sometimes I think people just get board because they analyze every minute detail about hardware.
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We’ve been here before...
DB’s Diatribe On Triggers
General Thoughts On DA/SA Triggers
Put me in the camp of hammer-fired, more aptly DA/SA or LEM, having significant safety advantages over SFA designs.
“Conspiracy theories are just spoiler alerts these days.”
There are a lot of different thoughts going on in this thread. It’s starting to get a little muddled for me.
Random thoughts that apply to me.
I believe that some trigger systems fit some people better than others. For whatever reason one trigger will click with someone better than another. It’s all about feel. I struggle with the wall on striker guns but deal very well with DA. The DA smooths me out and takes away my tendency to anticipate a SF trigger.
If you’re comfortable with the trigger you are using you’re less likely to make mistakes. Decocking a TDA gun feels really natural for me. It’s part of the process of firing a shot. Even during dry fire I will finish my string and decock. Oddly, when I go back to SFA I have to think about not decocking. I’ve tried to hit the decocker on a Glock multiple times. It feels unnatural to holster a pistol without that step.
Switching trigger types can’t happen overnight. Shooting a lot of different actions is asking for trouble especially under stress.
You have to mentally accept the trigger you are carrying. If you are forced to move to something different by your employer you have to accept it and commit to it.
TDA is not less safe than striker. TDA can be shot just as well as striker. TDA takes more practice to stay proficient with than striker. I think most ND’s happen during administrative handling. Doesn’t matter what the trigger type is the startle reflex will cause an ND if your finger is on the trigger.