Practicing From Concealed Holster

[JodyH]

I'm within .25 second from an OWB and my AIWB when everything goes right.
The difference is in how many times things don't go right and that is where OWB has a significant advantage.
Concealed adds additional fumble opportunities which I take advantage of on occasion.

[LSP972]

Concealed needs to be better defined. "IDPA concealed" vs. tuckable AIWB (what I'm wearing right now) with a tucked in shirt are two totally different things. Same thing with a deep concealed behind the hip holster under a closed front shirt.

Precisely. _I_ don't understand how anyone can think the two situations are NOT different.

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[David Armstrong]

Concealed needs to be better defined. "IDPA concealed" vs. tuckable AIWB (what I'm wearing right now) with a tucked in shirt are two totally different things. Same thing with a deep concealed behind the hip holster under a closed front shirt.

Depending on how the pistol is concealed the difference might be negligible or significant

Exactly. There are so many variables in this issue that it is very easy to be talking about very different things. What is considered "concealed", what type of holster(s) are we talking about, how to define a "significant difference" and so on. Depending on what holster I happen to pick that can make my concealed draw slower or faster than my open carry draw, as just one example.

[bcauz3y]

There is a big difference if you want to get max speed. If you want to be proficient with both, practice both.

IMO, slow and smooth are better than fast.

I also do not agree with the article referenced in the OP that drawing from concealed vs. drawing from a duty holster or open carry is the same thing.

They are entirely different animals, which require drastically different methods of access and thought.

Once you've cleared leather, the rest of the game remains the same, though.

[JHC]

Did the Duane Thomas article or any post on the thread say the two were the same or that there is zero difference? I hadn't thought so.

[David Armstrong]

Did the Duane Thomas article or any post on the thread say the two were the same or that there is zero difference? I hadn't thought so.

You're right.
'Duane Thomas states "my own testing years ago convinced me there is very, very little difference, either in technique or time, between doing a concealed or unconcealed draw". ' Little difference in technique or time. Sometimes we lose sight of what was actually said.

[HeadHunter]

In case anyone wants to read the article.
The Intensive Handgun Skills: Speed Shooting Practice Drills

[gringop]

Does Duane Thomas regularly shoot USPSA production concealed while others shoot unconcealed?
When he does this, bet's money on it and wins, I'll believe his statement.

Here is his complete statement.

"You may or may not choose to do these drills from concealment. I don’t, since my own testing years ago convinced me there is very, very little difference, either in technique or time, between doing a concealed or unconcealed draw. Some might argue with me on that, but I have gone literally years without practicing a concealed draw and then had absolutely no problem doing one when required, so I’ll stand by that statement."

I'm not sure how not practicing one for years, then successfully completing one, translates to very little difference in technique or time.

Duane's been writing about shooting for many years. He is more of an expert on that than I am. But when he devotes 116 words to how it's just as fast to start a ready position drill with the gun on safe as with it off safe, then starts with his finger on the trigger, I kinda tune him out.

YMMV,
Gringop

[JConn]

IMO, slow and smooth are better than fast.

I also do not agree with the article referenced in the OP that drawing from concealed vs. drawing from a duty holster or open carry is the same thing.

They are entirely different animals, which require drastically different methods of access and thought.

Once you've cleared leather, the rest of the game remains the same, though.

Ok... You're saying slow and smooth because thinking that allows you to slow down to a point where the fundamentals are executed properly. When you execute those fundamentals properly you are achieving maximum speed for that draw. However, if we are competing and you go slow and I go fast and we both get our hits, I win, game over. All I'm saying is I'll take fast any day. Either way we are both aiming for the same end goal, bullets on target as FAST as possible. Unless I'm missing something. You can't say you don't want speed, you just want those things that allow you to achieve maximum speed. It makes no sense.

Sorry, I'm tired and bored. Going to sleep now.

[JeffJ]

I try for fast and smooth