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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Oh, well, then accept my apologies. I'm sorry for whatever I and the multitude of executive branch employees on this website did to cause this event.
    The Executive Branch is headed by two people; ergo the use of the plural. I was not referencing the support staff, as they actually do their jobs.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by jetfire View Post
    I am only contributing to this thread to correct this statement which is a common misunderstanding.

    The Coast Guard is always a branch of the military.


    That's direct from US Code and is the definition of "armed forces" or in common parlance "the military." They are the only branch of the military that does not fall under the operational control of the DoD, which doesn't affect their status as a branch of the Armed Forces. Members of the Coast Guard are entitled to the same pay rates and benefits as members of the DoD branches of the military.


    The reason they're not getting funded right now is because as correctly stated, they're part of Homeland and not the DoD, and Homeland's funding was one of the major bones of contention in the appropriation that everyone was fighting over. Regardless, to say they're "not really" military or "para-military" is just fucking dumb.
    I hate that you got so butt-hurt so easily. Looking at the definition you cited, it was drafted in 2006 and implemented in 2012, which was well after I got out of the military. But like so many things in our country, the definitions change over time. Itís similar to the argument we have here on P-F and other places about whether or not civilian cops are civilians.

    The problem is the Coast Guard is a hybrid organization no matter how you look at it. We have laws that prohibit the military from enforcing civilian laws against our own citizens. The USCG enforces laws against Americans daily. They are part military and part law enforcement. They are not subject to Posse Comitatus, but they do get the protections the DoD has under the Soldiers & Sailors Relief act. They are simply not the same as our traditional military services.

    I went to high school with a kid whose dad was a Coastie. He used to argue that they were absent from the recruiting commercials on TV because they had a smaller budget and couldnít afford it. I tried to explain that the DoD paid for the commercials and they were (at that time) DOT. He didnít believe me. He also swore his dad told him the Coast Guard flew F-16ísÖ Some people just canít handle calling something what it is. Today Iíd refer to this kid as a precious snowflake.

    The bottom line is the Coast Guard is a great organization. They are extremely important and useful. I have friends and family who have been or are now Coasties. For much of my Air Force career I worked hand in hand with the various District RCCís for the Coast Guard. Our National SAR School is on their facility in Yorktown. My comment was in no way intended to be a slight. You just read it that way because you applied your personal hurt when you read it. But to call me ďfucking dumbĒ just shows Iím debating with a person who has the maturity of a 13 year old. Best of luck to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    I hate that you got so butt-hurt so easily.
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    But to call me ďfucking dumbĒ just shows Iím debating with a person who has the maturity of a 13 year old. Best of luck to you.
    I didn't call you fucking dumb. I said that your statement was fucking dumb. But yeah, I'm the one who's butthurt easily. It annoys me when people who should know better say shit that is factually incorrect and then try to walk it back when they get called out on it. The Coast Guard was part of the Armed Forces when I joined up in 2000 back when they were in the DOT.

    They're still part of the Armed Forces 19 years later when I'm in the DoD. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetfire View Post
    I didn't call you fucking dumb. I said that your statement was fucking dumb. But yeah, I'm the one who's butthurt easily. It annoys me when people who should know better say shit that is factually incorrect and then try to walk it back when they get called out on it. The Coast Guard was part of the Armed Forces when I joined up in 2000 back when they were in the DOT.

    They're still part of the Armed Forces 19 years later when I'm in the DoD. Weird.
    FWIW, I didnít think you came off as hutthurt.

    And yes, the USCG is part of the armed forces, as while their responsibilities are delineated in Title 14, their status as armed forces is enumerated in Title 10. I think Title 10 was established prior to 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GardoneVT View Post
    The Executive Branch is headed by two people; ergo the use of the plural. I was not referencing the support staff, as they actually do their jobs.
    Weak sauce backpedaling, brah.

    Read what you wrote. ďThe entire executive branchĒ. Thatís not a great way to reference the two people heading the executive.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Weak sauce backpedaling, brah.

    Read what you wrote. ďThe entire executive branchĒ. Thatís not a great way to reference the two people heading the executive.
    How about you go Amazon prime some context and try again ďbrahĒ.
    Iíll show myself out of this thread.
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    My earlier post wasn't comprehensive enough, but I think:


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Jones View Post
    Since we're 10 11 pages in and this has turned into the usual, I'm going to take the opportunity quote the thread title and OP (in what is likely a hopeless attempt to get things back on track):

    Any of you .Gov types personally feeling the pinch?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    Just saw this on FB, posted by a friend and trainer/mentor who's a no-shit BTDT DoD guy. Anyone else see this in their life yet? unacceptable...

    "You canít make this up. Just notified after two missed checks as a Fed I lose my dental and vision. And after three I lose my retirement and will be billed for the lack of payments owed. If I donít pay them it will become taxable income. Hahahaha! You couldnít make this shit more funny if it was a Benny Hill skit..."

    Just curious as if to it's really the total goat rope it looks like from the outside.
    FWIW, we've already got a bunch of threads where people can read everyone's thought about the president, his administration, and our legislators (no link for this one, but there's a bunch of them out there -- seek, and ye shall find).

    It would be cool if we could keep this thread about the impact of the shutdown, especially on our members, and not have it turn into another thread where people talk at each other about stuff that almost exactly zero people are ever going to change their mind about.
    Plus, I just really like to post that stupid picture.
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    You know what, I'm going to go ahead and call this one.

    The reason why the "government is shutdown" (and now this thread) is probably because our elected officials are acting like a lot of recent posters. I guess we really do get the government we deserve.

    I hope all the people affected can find the help they need until everything opens back up and they start getting paid again. If anyone needs help or wants to help, maybe start a thread in the Site Supporter-only sub-forum and perhaps we can use PF for something other than "winning" arguments over the internet with people we've never met.
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