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    I think it's better to have honorable enemies than dishonest friends.

    With friends like Germany, France, and England, who needs enemies?

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    Those were, exactly, my first and second thoughts.

    I am really, really, starting to think maybe Impeachment and removal of this asshole might not be a bad idea. And I voted for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jc000 View Post
    I think it's better to have honorable enemies than dishonest friends.

    With friends like Germany, France, and England, who needs enemies?
    Is this a pattern or a style? Fly in like a seagull, drop a load of ‘wisdom’, and fly off without further explanation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuanoLoco View Post
    Is this a pattern or a style? Fly in like a seagull, drop a load of ‘wisdom’, and fly off without further explanation?
    Does this make you sad?

    What isn't clear? France, England, and Germany suck as allies in basically every way.

    I'm pretty much of the mindset we should invade England and free the populace from their horribly tyrannical government.

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    We do this one yet? Mattis stepping down...

    Quote Originally Posted by jc000 View Post
    I think it's better to have honorable enemies than dishonest friends.

    With friends like Germany, France, and England, who needs enemies?
    With the exception of England, that has been my thinking for at least 30 years before Trump was elected.

    Yes, we need to preserve alliances, but how long can we foot the bill for protecting people who are undermining us? For example, France and Germany doing business with Iraq in the months leading up to the first gulf war and with international sanctions in place.

    Trump is going to turn into the perfect example of perfect being the enemy of better than anything we have had for decades.

    Sorry to see Mattis go, but I think his reason is stupid. We need people who are capable of both carrying out Trump’s agenda while also telling him with no punches pulled when they believe he is making a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillSWPA View Post
    Sorry to see Mattis go, but I think his reason is stupid. We need people who are capable of both carrying out Trump’s agenda while also telling him with no punches pulled when they believe he is making a mistake.
    Mattis' has done some questionable things as SecDef and it looks like he was pretty off course with the Trump agenda. So it seems sensible that he's moving on, though it is unfortunate for the reasons you've stated above.

    The English government is absolutely shameful and all kidding aside is about as close to a totalitarian society as a Western Democracy can get. Something severe needs to happen there, the current state of affairs there is abysmal.
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    I'm not a huge Trump fan, but anything was better than another 4 years of Obama's divisiveness and I think thats what Hillary would have been like. Our country needed the pendulum to move away from pc culture.

    The one solid reassurance I had about his presidency was Mattis. It's been a long time since a professional warrior was in office, but I felt having Mattis as an advisor would help steer things.

    This is beyond unsettling. I would support Mattis for a presidential run, but I believe he has stated that it does not interest him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cor_man257 View Post
    I'm not a huge Trump fan, but anything was better than another 4 years of Obama's divisiveness and I think thats what Hillary would have been like. Our country needed the pendulum to move away from pc culture.

    The one solid reassurance I had about his presidency was Mattis. It's been a long time since a professional warrior was in office, but I felt having Mattis as an advisor would help steer things.

    This is beyond unsettling. I would support Mattis for a presidential run, but I believe he has stated that it does not interest him.

    -Cory
    These are important points. I am amazed by the Trump hate I see over stupid issues like bump stocks. That is exactly what will get us President Hillary Clinton, President Joe Biden, or President Bernie Sanders.

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    While I like and respect General Mattis, he is a politician and Trump is not. Politicians have meetings and come up with ineffective BS policy like ROE that put our guys at a disadvantage. Politicians are for the most part ineffective.

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