The Saudis are our scumbags if we see the Middle East as a fight with Iran. Lest we forget some of our scumbags like to fly planes into buildings. Also, a major funding and people source for Isis. Spreading a religion of hate across the world.
The Orange Overlord is just following in a tradition of kowtowing to the Saudis that started around WWII for their oil. Show me a Republican or Democratic president who didn't kiss their derrick.
They need us to keep Iran out of their business. We want their oil and funding for hotels.
It is just crass, money driven geopolitics of despicable people.
Last, given your tribe you will believe someone's BS and excuses.
They're strategically extremely useful.
At least, their region is. The Saudis themselves are subhuman pieces of shit just like 90%+ of the leadership in that region. The minor bonus is while they're wildly rich, they're also just as wildly incompetent as their neighbors at running nations and fighting wars.
Last edited by Peally; 10-20-2018 at 05:36 PM.
Semper Gumby, Always Flexible
There is a problem with the reality or perception of impropriety/Kompromat, blatently ignoring the Emoluments Clause (designed to mitigate foreign influence on the presidency), rolling over for Russia/Putin in general, publicly at Helsinki, nerve poisoning of Skripal in the UK, looking the other way on the Saudi murder of a US-employed reporter because x/y/z, etc.
There is a problem with this as POTUS, enabling and emboldening other nation states to murder with impunity. There is a problem when we, as US citizens, CHOOSE to ignore these things for whatever reason (Trump is ‘our guy’), Khashoggi is not ‘our guy’. Skripal who?
The problem is that this is a slippery slope where ANYTHING can be justified and where we have lost our ethical and moral way.
Shame on us all.
Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Doodie Project?
Why is this an issue? Reporters getting sadistically murdered is just another Tuesday in Mexico, but we don’t see international outrage about that . Further , one does not criticize the Saudi regime as this guy did and then hang out in the same country’s embassy. This guy pulled an international equivalent of standing in front of a speeding train and daring it to stop. As such, I’ll be playing my quantum sized violin for this narcissistic jagoffs departure.
Trump really shouldn’t have even dignified this mess with a public answer.
The Minority Marksman.
"When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword: Do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet."
-a Ch'an Buddhist axiom.
GL, I share your dim view of many things...both foreign and domestic, currently in play. It will be interesting to see what the coming mid-term elections and 2020 bring. (Though there's not much chance of the Dems winning me over unless they have a radical rethink of their agenda...which is more than pretty unlikely.)
I'm just hoping there's no striped pajamas and yellow stars anytime in the future or you'll be seeing me alongside you on the barricades.
(I've been hoarding ammo.)
There's nothing civil about this war.