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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    I suspect that'd be of questionable legality in a lot of places. Anyway, one might rather let the guy go and file the insurance claim than deal with getting blood and brains out of the interior of his Caddy.
    Versus the car getting totaled by that waste of oxygen as he tries to murder a cop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    I suspect that'd be of questionable legality in a lot of places. Anyway, one might rather let the guy go and file the insurance claim than deal with getting blood and brains out of the interior of his Caddy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelist View Post
    Versus the car getting totaled by that waste of oxygen as he tries to murder a cop?
    None of that would have happened, or have been able to be argued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    None of that would have happened, or have been able to be argued.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    None of that would have happened, or have been able to be argued.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelist View Post
    True.
    Right, so that, unless Nevada is a state where it is legal to use deadly force to prevent theft of property, capping the perp from behind is going to be at least a manslaughter beef. And since they had the perp under aerial surveillance, the only hope is for a jury to find that "he needed killing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    Right, so that, unless Nevada is a state where it is legal to use deadly force to prevent theft of property, capping the perp from behind is going to be at least a manslaughter beef. And since they had the perp under aerial surveillance, the only hope is for a jury to find that "he needed killing".
    In Alabama it’s legal to use deadly physical force on someone who has entered your occupied vehicle or removed you from same:

    https://judicial.alabama.gov/docs/li...s/13A-3-23.pdf

    A person may use deadly physical force and is legally presumed to be justified in using deadly physical force in self-defense or in the defense of another person pursuant to section (5), if the person reasonably believes that another person is: [Read appropriate part]
    (1) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force;
    (2) Using or about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling while committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling;
    (3) Committing or about to commit: [Read appropriate part]
    (a) Kidnapping in any degree;
    (b) Assault in the first or second degree;
    (c) Burglary in any degree;
    (d) Robbery in any degree;
    (e) Forcible rape; (OR)
    (f) Forcible sodomy;
    (4) Using or about to use physical force against an owner, employee, or other person authorized to be on business property when the business is closed to the public, while committing or attempting to commit a crime involving death, serious physical injury, robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, or a crime of a sexual nature involving a child under the age of 12; (OR)
    (5) In the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered, a dwelling, residence, business property, or occupied vehicle, or federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is in the process of sabotaging or attempting to sabotage a federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is attempting to remove, or has forcefully removed, a person against his/her will from any dwelling, residence, business property, or occupied vehicle when the person has a legal right to be there, and provided that the person using deadly physical force knows or has reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act is occurring;;
    ETA: found the Nevada statute. He would have been fine. I would also argue that temporarily gaining a position of advantage doesn’t mean that dude can’t lean out of the car or window and shoot you before he drives off. And in this situation there was the danger of traffic in every direction and no cover that makes retreat dangerous even though legally he has no duty to retreat.

    https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-...l#NRS200Sec120

    NRS 200.120  “Justifiable homicide” defined; no duty to retreat under certain circumstances.
    1.  Justifiable homicide is the killing of a human being in necessary self-defense, or in defense of an occupied habitation, an occupied motor vehicle or a person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors to commit a crime of violence, or against any person or persons who manifestly intend and endeavor, in a violent, riotous, tumultuous or surreptitious manner, to enter the occupied habitation or occupied motor vehicle, of another for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person dwelling or being therein.
    2.  A person is not required to retreat before using deadly force as provided in subsection 1 if the person:
    (a) Is not the original aggressor;
    (b) Has a right to be present at the location where deadly force is used; and
    (c) Is not actively engaged in conduct in furtherance of criminal activity at the time deadly force is used.
    3.  As used in this section:
    (a) “Crime of violence” means any felony for which there is a substantial risk that force or violence may be used against the person or property of another in the commission of the felony.
    (b) “Motor vehicle” means every vehicle which is self-propelled.
    [1911 C&P § 129; RL § 6394; NCL § 10076]—(NRS A 1983, 518; 2011, 265; 2015, 1781)

    NRS 200.130
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    I think this falls under Shooting Incidents since the Florida Man was the victim.
    Seems like he needed more gun or more practice.

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/mikayl...labama-a-hero/

    Adam Simjee and his girlfriend, Mikayla Paulus, both students at the University of Central Florida, were driving along a road when they were “flagged down” by a woman, later identified as Yasmine Hider, who “asked the couple if they could give her some assistance to help get her car started,” FOX 35 Orlando reports.

    When the couple attempted to assist Hider, she produced a gun and made the couple walk back into the woods for an attempted robbery, a Clay County Sheriff’s office release says.

    At some point, after Hider walked them at gunpoint into the woods, Simjee produced a handgun that was concealed on his person. There was an exchange of gunfire, during which the suspect was shot multiple times. Simjee was struck by gunfire as well and died at the scene. Paulus was not injured in the gunfire exchange and was able to call for help, as well as tell investigators about a second suspect who was watching nearby during the incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Watson View Post
    I think this falls under Shooting Incidents since the Florida Man was the victim.
    Seems like he needed more gun or more practice.

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/mikayl...labama-a-hero/

    Adam Simjee and his girlfriend, Mikayla Paulus, both students at the University of Central Florida, were driving along a road when they were “flagged down” by a woman, later identified as Yasmine Hider, who “asked the couple if they could give her some assistance to help get her car started,” FOX 35 Orlando reports.

    When the couple attempted to assist Hider, she produced a gun and made the couple walk back into the woods for an attempted robbery, a Clay County Sheriff’s office release says.

    At some point, after Hider walked them at gunpoint into the woods, Simjee produced a handgun that was concealed on his person. There was an exchange of gunfire, during which the suspect was shot multiple times. Simjee was struck by gunfire as well and died at the scene. Paulus was not injured in the gunfire exchange and was able to call for help, as well as tell investigators about a second suspect who was watching nearby during the incident.
    See discussion up-thread starting at post 7043.

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    Four shot inside Clayton County Walmart after man mishandles gun, police say

    A total of four people were injured after a 29-year-old man mishandled his gun, shooting himself and three others, Lovejoy police said

    Police say they responded to Walmart for a persons shot call. When they arrived, officials determined that Michael Walton had been negligent with his gun when it fired a round, striking him and three others.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/four-shot...194817657.html
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    Dude needs to take some lessons from Plaxico Burris. Yeah, I know it's an old reference.


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    This happened back in May but this was the first time I heard about it.

    The director of a charity decided that an active shooter drill was a good idea. But she decided the best active shooter drill involved 1) not telling the employees ahead of time 2) not telling LE ahead of time 3) basically just having some dude walk in and start blasting blanks everywhere. Unsurprisingly, people were a bit miffed. Oh yeah and the 'shooter' is also up on unrelated sexual assault and child porn charges.

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