Shooting incidents in the news.

[GyroF-16]

Talking points for dealing with the less-informed on the Boulder supermarket shooting:

- Colorado has had a “Universal Background Check” law on the books since 2013. The shooter evidently purchased the gun he used in the last two weeks. So he presumably passed the required background check. Mandating such universal checks at the national level would have no impact on events like these.

- Colorado also passed a low prohibiting the acquisition of “high capacity” magazines (defined as holding more than 15 rounds) in 2013. I don’t know what magazine capacity was used in this crime, but the law didn’t make any difference in this respect either.

So, obviously the solution is not to pass more restrictive laws, locally or nationally.

[Joe in PNG]

Talking points for dealing with the less-informed on the Boulder supermarket shooting:

- Colorado has had a “Universal Background Check” law on the books since 2013. The shooter evidently purchased the gun he used in the last two weeks. So he presumably passed the required background check. Mandating such universal checks at the national level would have no impact on events like these.

- Colorado also passed a low prohibiting the acquisition of “high capacity” magazines (defined as holding more than 15 rounds) in 2013. I don’t know what magazine capacity was used in this crime, but the law didn’t make any difference in this respect either.

So, obviously the solution is not to pass more restrictive laws, locally or nationally.

Their goal is gun restrictions. The effects of laws that already exist isn't the issue.

[Mystery]

Not even a week ago and already ended ownership and lots of lives.
What if he didn't have a gun?
Could he kill that many?
I know guns don't fire themselves but it sure does make it easier than a piece of cake to kill many quick.

[olstyn]

What if he didn't have a gun?
Could he kill that many?

Yes. More, in fact. Explosives...

[HCM]

Yes. More, in fact. Explosives...

or gasoline and door wedges...

[Joe in PNG]

And don't forget that we have mass shootings in countries with extraordinarily strict gun control, like in France.

[DDTSGM]

Not even a week ago and already ended ownership and lots of lives.
What if he didn't have a gun?
Could he kill that many?
I know guns don't fire themselves but it sure does make it easier than a piece of cake to kill many quick.

Actually some way can require less effort:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[idahojess]

Yes. More, in fact. Explosives...

Vans...

[Hot Sauce]

Not even a week ago and already ended ownership and lots of lives.
What if he didn't have a gun?
Could he kill that many?
I know guns don't fire themselves but it sure does make it easier than a piece of cake to kill many quick.

Ever heard of the Nice promenade on the French Riviera?

[fixer]

Not even a week ago and already ended ownership and lots of lives.
What if he didn't have a gun?
Could he kill that many?
I know guns don't fire themselves but it sure does make it easier than a piece of cake to kill many quick.

Right in NYC

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/n...manhattan.html

8 dead, rented F250 from home depot.

He even had a pellet gun.

Comparing methods of executing a large casualty event isn't fun but in terms of comparing which is easiest, I'd say a large vehicle running people over might be the easiest overall. It takes no skill, easy to acquire, and offers a barrier to people fighting back.

If the Christmas day bomber in Nashville had decided other wise (say like black friday), we'd be talking about potentially hundreds of people dead from an RV rigged with explosives. So next on my list is explosives in various forms. Boston marathon was done with pressure cookers (I think).

Everything else seems to take some measure of skill building and knowledge and exposure to people fighting back or getting harmed in the process.