Paranoia, leftism, and "legalized" marijuana

[OnionsAndDragons]

Jonathan Haidt offers some of what seems to me to be the clearest thinking around these ideas.

I wasn't thinking of marijuana's effects as sole cause, but more as an exacerbating factor amplifying the effects of everything else.




It's frustrating to me that even the most calm, thoughtful, rational and well-intentioned people on the left seem generally incapable of putting together an accurate picture of what's happening. It's like they're playing with a 2, another 2, and a plus sign, but completely ignore the equal sign that's sitting right there, and the concept of four never seems to occur to them.

Haidt’s newest book definitely helped flesh out my suspicions about some of these alarming social phenomena.

I will argue there are still some few on the left with the integrity and grit to call this shit as it is. There are just far more that are afraid of the social cannibals on their own side of the spectrum right now.


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[GardoneVT]

. Don't buy into that shit, don't live in an echo chamber, be independent, think for yourself.

Reject their realities, substitute your own.

Found the forum pothead

[blues]

This thread makes me want to lock all the doors, shutter the windows and bong it up!

(Better check the snacks first and then hide the truck keys.)


Dave's not here.

[LSP552]

Agreed. Though the number of normal, non-shitbirds I know that smoke weed is pretty small. But that's because I don't care to be around that kind of stuff in any way shape or form.

In the Army, the biggest issue facing us is that an alarming number of Soldiers are coming back from passes/leave and pissing hot for weed, particularly where it's 'state legal'.
So much so, that big Army changed the regulations involved so that popping hot for weed isn't an automatic kick-out process anymore.

Now, more often than not the Soldiers popping hot for weed are shitbird Soldiers, but some surprisingly good troops have popped hot recently and it's really disturbing. Especially because it makes my job more difficult and I hate doing derogatory paperwork on good Soldiers that screwed up. Once upon a time we could just put them on extra duty or otherwise square them the fuck away. Now it's a permanent paper trail that will haunt them for their whole career.

I’m a civilian Contract Specialist for the Army Contracting Command and we have recently been getting policy alerts about testing positive for weed. Short version is it doesn’t matter if you are in a “legal” state, if you work for the DoD, you are going to get torched. The latest basically said it will likely result in the loss of your security clearance.

[RevolverRob]

Found the forum pothead

Ya know, despite the prevalance of marijuana use amongst friends and colleagues, I’ve not smoked any since high school. I just never was much for wacky tobacky*. Alcohol has always been my intoxicant of choice. Partly because of the legality of it. When I was in college, weed wasn’t “legal” in most places and certainly not in Texas (where it still isn’t). And being a gun nerd, things that could compromise gunownership and my concealed carry license were no go for me and remain so. Then there was the period where I intended to pursue law enforcement (Federal mainly) and I wanted to make sure everything was clean and good for the polygraph.

*Yes, I called it “wacky tobacky” and yes I am an old man. I bought a cable knit shawl neck button up cardigan at LL Bean today (seriously), I call it my “old man sweater” and I look good in it. And that shit is comfy as hell.

[OlongJohnson]

I’m a civilian Contract Specialist for the Army Contracting Command and we have recently been getting policy alerts about testing positive for weed. Short version is it doesn’t matter if you are in a “legal” state, if you work for the DoD, you are going to get torched. The latest basically said it will likely result in the loss of your security clearance.

Federal law is still federal law. The way I see it, people who choose to get involved in the marijuana trade are basically surrendering a whole raft of rights to the Feds. Which, if you are even a little bit untrusting of the government, seems to provide an excellent reason for the Feds to not bother enforcing those laws until it becomes convenient to do so.

*Yes, I called it “wacky tobacky” and yes I am an old man. I bought a cable knit shawl neck button up cardigan at LL Bean today (seriously), I call it my “old man sweater” and I look good in it. And that shit is comfy as hell.

I can't hear LL Bean mentioned without thinking of this.

https://www.theonion.com/african-ame...ear-1819594649

[RevolverRob]

I can't hear LL Bean mentioned without thinking of this.

https://www.theonion.com/african-ame...ear-1819594649

This one seems relevant too - https://politics.theonion.com/gop-ma...lik-1819595704

[Erick Gelhaus]

Any SMEs around who can address the actual paranoia effects of marijuana use, and any other evidence to support or refute the hypothesis?

DEA tracks potency off of lab testing on seized weed. The info should be available.

What was 3-5% THC way, way back was low/mid 20s up to low 30s for some genetically modified indoor grown stuff around the turn of the century.

From casually scanning lab tests on suspects involved in OIS, it is my hypothesis that THC levels are at the very least heavily contributing to the behavior, decision making that is resulting in them being shot.

Listened to a recent L/E podcast on marijuana use and DUI-Drug issues. The participants noted that the two states with id'd levels were using 5ng per ml as the indicator, akin to 0.08%BAC. The numbers that stand out in my head from a couple shootings were on the far of 20 nl/mg and around 40nl/mg in one.

Seattle PD has a study looking at aggressive driving and THC intoxication. The abstract indicated the higher the THC levels, the more aggressive the driving was. However, they were looking at only a few subjects. Thaat is consistent with the other material in my mind.

[orionz06]

Yeah but that’s not because weed makes people in shitbirds, it’s because shitbirds like weed. I know plenty of normal folks that like to smoke weed who aren’t shitbirds.

Besides, criminals also like booze, meth, coke, hillbilly heroin, etc.

I wish everyone here really knew how widespread marijuana use was among all classes of people, even in this industry.

[Sensei]

I wish everyone here really knew how widespread marijuana use was among all classes of people, even in this industry.

There are a few of high-functioning people that I know in the biomedical field who smoke pot - occasionally. By high functioning I mean completed doctoral education and post-doctoral training (surgeons, cardiologists, tenured professors, etc.); by occasionally I mean 5 or 6 times per year. I don’t know anyone who is a habitual smoker, meaning at least weekly who I’d call high-functioning. My wife describes a similar situation in corporate banking - a few occasionally light up at bachelor parties, New Years, etc., but no heavy hitters. Every habitual user that I’ve come across strikes me as leaving a lot of untapped potential on the table of life.