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    Quote Originally Posted by TR675 View Post
    As a criminal defense attorney I can testify that there is a near 1-1 correlation between being a shitbird and smoking the reefer.

    Correlation is not causation but, you know what, screw it, yes it is. #legalizenothing , #jobsecurity


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    Yeah but that’s not because weed makes people in shitbirds, it’s because shitbirds like weed. I know plenty of normal folks that like to smoke weed who aren’t shitbirds.

    Besides, criminals also like booze, meth, coke, hillbilly heroin, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caleb View Post
    Yeah but that’s not because weed makes people in shitbirds, it’s because shitbirds like weed. I know plenty of normal folks that like to smoke weed who aren’t shitbirds.

    Besides, criminals also like booze, meth, coke, hillbilly heroin, etc.
    Agreed. Though the number of normal, non-shitbirds I know that smoke weed is pretty small. But that's because I don't care to be around that kind of stuff in any way shape or form.

    In the Army, the biggest issue facing us is that an alarming number of Soldiers are coming back from passes/leave and pissing hot for weed, particularly where it's 'state legal'.
    So much so, that big Army changed the regulations involved so that popping hot for weed isn't an automatic kick-out process anymore.

    Now, more often than not the Soldiers popping hot for weed are shitbird Soldiers, but some surprisingly good troops have popped hot recently and it's really disturbing. Especially because it makes my job more difficult and I hate doing derogatory paperwork on good Soldiers that screwed up. Once upon a time we could just put them on extra duty or otherwise square them the fuck away. Now it's a permanent paper trail that will haunt them for their whole career.

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    OP's hypothesis is provocative and think there is likely a good number of folks who are poster-children for it.

    However, I'm thinking that the hysteria since 2016 election is driven by many other variables arguably more scary than a drug interaction.

    Large group of people who've grown up with an ultra left president
    Increasing concentration of people with college degrees
    Increasing general 'softness' of citizenry...coping skills and ability to manage conflict are decreasing, not increasing.
    Side effect of social media--people can't fathom how their vote doesn't create the same effect as an all-caps rampage on twitter.
    OCD level obsession with identity.


    I actually used to enjoy reading well reasoned left-wing arguments. Now all you get is nothing but hyper-emotional, identity-driven, indignation...screaming and verbal vomit.

    There is no thought. Its just all-out mania.

    Throw in some extra potency narcotics and the bonfire is gonna go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubervic View Post
    It's been long established that many who enjoy marijuana experience paranoia while under its influence. Is the point of this post to argue that such paranoia is lasting, even after the 'dosing' has worn off? I have a hard time believing that, and I also don't believe that only leftists smoke pot.
    For most people, no, the effect does not last after the dose wears off. However some people who smoke pot regularly and have a predisposition to paranoia will experience lasting effects including paranoia and hallucinations.

    It’s not just leftist that smoke pot but that doesn’t make smoking pot ok - it’s not just leftists that are shitbags either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixer View Post
    ...many other variables arguably more scary than a drug interaction.

    Large group of people who've grown up with an ultra left president
    Increasing concentration of people with college degrees
    Increasing general 'softness' of citizenry...coping skills and ability to manage conflict are decreasing, not increasing.
    Side effect of social media--people can't fathom how their vote doesn't create the same effect as an all-caps rampage on twitter.
    OCD level obsession with identity.
    Jonathan Haidt offers some of what seems to me to be the clearest thinking around these ideas.

    I wasn't thinking of marijuana's effects as sole cause, but more as an exacerbating factor amplifying the effects of everything else.


    Quote Originally Posted by fixer View Post
    I actually used to enjoy reading well reasoned left-wing arguments. Now all you get is nothing but hyper-emotional, identity-driven, indignation...screaming and verbal vomit.

    There is no thought. Its just all-out mania.
    It's frustrating to me that even the most calm, thoughtful, rational and well-intentioned people on the left seem generally incapable of putting together an accurate picture of what's happening. It's like they're playing with a 2, another 2, and a plus sign, but completely ignore the equal sign that's sitting right there, and the concept of four never seems to occur to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester Polfus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post

    It's frustrating to me that even the most calm, thoughtful, rational and well-intentioned people on the left seem generally incapable of putting together an accurate picture of what's happening. It's like they're playing with a 2, another 2, and a plus sign, but completely ignore the equal sign that's sitting right there, and the concept of four never seems to occur to them.
    Great analogy.


    I'm gonna check out Jonathan Haidt's stuff...thanks.

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    The 2 plus 2 analogy reminded me of a conversation I had with an assistant district attorney that specialized in procecuting DUI’s. Frequently with drug related DUI’s the driver is under the influence of several different drugs. The blood result will show low or therapeutic levels of say three or four drugs which results in a high level of impairment. The ADA explained it as 2 plus 2 plus 2 does not equal 6 but 12 in this case. This is why PA prohibits driving with any THC level. I would not be surprised that marijuana smokers were also using or prescribed other drugs.

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    I doubt weed is plays as big a role as we think. Unless, we think that pot smoking tends to lead to folks being lazy and not actually putting in the effort to learn about things beyond sound bites that tug at the soul.

    I think the paranoia comes out, when folks sit in their fucking echo chambers too long and then are shocked to learn the fucking world doesn't work that way.

    I.E. imagine you grew up with a single worldview. Like, I dunno, a white supremacist viewpoint, that black people and Jews are the root of all evil. All of your friends your family, everyone you see is a white supremacists. And later when you interact with people who hold differing viewpoints, you are instantly paranoid and suspicious of them, because how can they not see the 'truth'? Which of course, isn't the truth, but is instead a white-washed version of (non-)reality that holds no general bearing on actual reality, outside of your small (or even medium sized) community.

    Replace "white supremacists" with "socialist" "communist" "anarchist" whatever and you have the answer. Live in an echo chamber and you're bound to be paranoid and suspicious of outside opinions and views. It's tribalism and though @Glenn E. Meyer is roadtripping and isn't here to talk to us about this one, it's precisely what he's been talking about for awhile. Tribalism, and those who promote it, are responsible for what we perceive to be increasingly radical viewpoints. Don't buy into that shit, don't live in an echo chamber, be independent, think for yourself.

    Reject their realities, substitute your own.
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