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    Totally agree, Gabe. Visual patience and trigger management are the key.
    What's NOT helpful:
    "Slow down and get your hits"
    "Shoot fast, but don't miss"

    I've heard both of those so many times... Don't try to control or evaluate time. That just builds stress and tension.

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    I think a key thing is to think and work in amount of care in the aiming and triggering and trying to get better at those. Thinking of slowing down to be more accurate may describe a likely outcome, but not a path of improvement in raw skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    Totally agree, Gabe. Visual patience and trigger management are the key.
    What's NOT helpful:
    "Slow down and get your hits"
    "Shoot fast, but don't miss"

    I've heard both of those so many times... Don't try to control or evaluate time. That just builds stress and tension.
    Agreed, big time.

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    I think hit factor is a great way to score, calculator impracticality notwithstanding. Just use tight targets and/or harsh points to get the result tweaked the way we want. Open ended for time is great. Par times can be great too but for some people and pars it's a blunt instrument for measurement. Highest hit factor represents pure aggression. That's a thing but far from the only thing. I wouldn't want to not have "all out" as a mode. It's probably worse by a lot for that to be the only mode.
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    Still learning a lot and I like the idea of a hit factor on some of my training.

    Are there certain drills that lend themselves to H/F more than others? Certain targets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by holmes168 View Post
    Still learning a lot and I like the idea of a hit factor on some of my training.

    Are there certain drills that lend themselves to H/F more than others? Certain targets?
    You can calculate it for pretty much any drill. Classifiers are good because you know where you stand nationally. Also, I like to construct mini-stages like this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Why not do both — shoot to whatever size target area interests you and apply hit factor scoring to it, so you value speed and accuracy?
    Probably because no matter the target size, small, big, in between, there is some absolute value in hitting "A" in some situations vs just a relative (to a time) number of points collected in a simple hit factor measurements. In other words, some targets / practice situations must be scored as binary first, and then they can be scored in HF assuming the binary value is 1.

    In simple words and as already pointed out several pages ago, in some practice situations your hit factor is zero if you don't hit at least one A (FTN).
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    Let’s consider a hypothetical drill requiring two hits to a 3x5 at 25 yards.

    Plan A is a fixed four second par time.

    Shooter 1 misses in three seconds and fails.
    Shooter 2 misses in six seconds and fails.
    Shooter 3 hits in two seconds and passes.
    Shooter 4 hits in 3.99 seconds and passes.
    Shooter 5 hits in 4.01 seconds and fails.
    Shooter 6 hits in 12.00 and fails.


    Plan B is hit factor scoring where each hit is 5 points and a miss is -10 points.

    Shooter 1 misses in three seconds and has a hit factor of zero.
    Shooter 2 misses in six seconds and has a hit factor of zero.
    Shooter 3 hits in two seconds and has a hit factor of 5.0 (10 points divided by 2 seconds).
    Shooter 4 hits in 3.99 and has a hit factor of 2.506
    Shooter 5 hits in 4.01 and has a hit factor of 2.4937
    Shooter six hits in 12.0 seconds and has a hit factor of .8333

    Doesn’t the hit factor scoring better reflect the differences between the various shooters’ performances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_White View Post
    I don't really like oreos that much but I like pants, stripes, and especially tigers. Where do I get white tiger stripe pants? I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peally View Post
    That's why you'll never make the big time, kid. *puts gaymer jersey over shoulder, slowly walks out of stadium hall*



    For the rest of you:
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    https://www.amazon.com/Oreo-Double-C...lk+oreos&psc=1
    Maybe I should have been more clear that I like men's pants if I am going to wear them.
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    Something I've always really liked about Tom Givens' Rangemaster Handgun Core Skills Test is that it uses hit factor scoring.
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