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Thread: Rangemaster: Intensive Pistol Skills, 8/24-25, Athens GA

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    Rangemaster: Intensive Pistol Skills, 8/24-25, Athens GA

    I don't generally post AARs since I think others are much more qualified than I am. But since I highly value the training I received at Tom Givens' Intensive Pistol Skills class recently I want to post up some of my thoughts. I like to comment a bit on the class itself, but also reflect on what I learned and how I and my equipment performed.

    Intensive Pistol Skills is a class designed to help a citizen who carries a handgun for defense improve his or her skills and ability to handle an emergency that requires the use of that handgun. It is not a tactical class nor is it geared toward competitive shooting.

    The class spans two full days of instruction, with the first day laying foundations for the second day in which students will be pushed a bit harder and scored on their performance.

    Day 1 begins with a great safety briefing along with an overview of what is coming and why. Fundamentals such as presentation from the holster, the low ready position, use of the sights, grip, stance, and trigger press are taught and practiced. The instruction on trigger press I found very helpful.

    Day 2 expands on day 1 and adds scored drills to get students to shoot faster with greater accuracy. Some drills are shot multiple times during the day with individuals scores given so students can track their progress. Later in the day several variations of the Casino Drill were performed, and the day's shooting ended with a fun 1 on 1 competition where everyone had the chance to shoot at steel against a fellow student. The day was challenging, full of great instruction, and a lot of fun.

    There are a few things Tom teaches that are a bit different than you see elsewhere, especially with accomplished competitive shooters and probably even a lot of forum members. I won't go into detail about those things because I'd hate to see this turn into one of those threads. What I WILL say is that Tom has reasons for teaching those things and articulates the reasons very well. If you attend one of these classes and he teaches a technique that is not the same as what you use, I suggest that you try it Tom's way -- at least during the class.

    Things I did wrong:
    I bought two Glock 34s for the class a few weeks ago, mostly to gain the increased capacity over my 1911s. The guns run just fine and I like them quite a bit. But I've been shooting and carrying 1911s for years and I'm still getting used to the Glock trigger. Also, acquiring a master grip and drawing from the holster are requiring an adjustment compared to the 1911 for sure. So in retrospect the Glock didn't hold me back but a few weeks before a class might not be the best time to start shooting a different type of pistol.

    For the most part my gear worked just fine, and using electronic hearing protection is great for a class setting. But with moderate to severe hearing loss I have to really focus to hear all the commands all the time. There was an instance during day 1 that turned into a "That Guy" moment for me because I didn't understand the instructions for a drill we were about to shoot. I was lost about how we needed to prep for the drill and so when it was my turn I had to ask for the instructions to be repeated. What I should have done was raised my hand immediately and asked for a repeat of the instructions, but I didn't -- thinking I could figure it out based on what the first relay was doing. Embarrassing, especially since by that point everyone pretty much assumes you are just a dumbass. But Tom repeated the instructions for me and I performed the drill fine -- and that was the only time I had trouble.


    What I think I did right:
    I saw students both days who listened to personal instruction, nodded their head, and then went back to doing the same thing they had been. To me this defeats the purpose of attending a training class. I made an effort to listen to Tom's instruction and apply it during the class, especially times he gave me some personal instruction/insight. There was a drill in which I made two shots high on the target, and Tom walked over and pointed out what I had done wrong (basically I had just looked over the top of the slide at the front sight instead of getting a proper sight picture) and I adjusted for it and didn't have that same problem again. Another time PF member jlw -- who was acting as an AI and who I consider an excellent instructor in his own right -- spotted something I had done wrong and I had no clue I had done it that way.

    I saw my shooting improve during the class, especially over the second day. On the Casino Drill when we shot individually for timed score I fumbled my second reload and almost dropped the fresh magazine -- but was able to recover and shoot the drill within time and with no misses. To many of you reading this that will seem trivial, but I was happy with it. When we shot the course of fire using steel targets against a classmate I shot the second string in good time (for me that is) with no misses. The first time through I had missed one of the steel targets because I stupidly jerked the trigger at least twice in a row. The second time I applied what Tom had taught about trigger press and shot much better.

    The reason I say these things is not to point out what I did as much as to make a point about the class. Tom designs the class so that the instruction builds on itself over the two days, and he teaches in such a way that if you listen and apply what is learned you will notice a difference between how you shoot at the end of day 2 vs. the beginning. That is where the value is IMO because it gives you a higher level of confidence in your ability to act quickly and put hits on the target when speed and accuracy matter.

    Highly recommended.

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    Rangemaster: Intensive Pistol Skills, 8/24-25, Athens GA

    Great AAR.

    One option for my two training slots for 2019 is to simply take Tom’s 2 day Course again (took it for the first time in 2017 in Everett WA).

    Agree with you, having Mr. Givens watch you attempt a drill is pretty nerve wracking [emoji4]

    Also, I agree @jlw is a pretty good shot, to say the least.
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    I think I lost five pounds of sweat by the second day...

    To add on, in no particular order:
    - Tom's safety briefing is the most contextualized, comprehensive "be safe with a gun" speech I've heard. It took about 45 minutes and identified a few blind spots (carelessness) of mine I hadn't realized.
    - The skills he advocates are simple. He has his version of what really matters based upon his observations and research, and his core skills are designed to meet those needs. Of course, he'll put that all in context. I recall a discussion of WHO shooting where, in addition to learning that I need to be practicing picking up the gun from the ground (I'll be doing that dry...), he gave a minor dissertation on the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of handgun bullets and really drove home his point that only anatomically-significant hits matter. His course content seems to be copious amounts of repetition of what's important. There isn't anything particularly fancy. It's consistent, repeated application of the fundamentals he stresses, trigger press (not pull -- he'll remind you) especially.
    - His one-handed shooting technique clicked for me. I'm very happy with it.
    - I found the command target and Casino Drill repetitions to be the most useful shooting phases of the course for me, as it was an entirely different type of shooting than what I've practiced. It's deceptively difficult and forces you to think and assess while shooting. I think it's a very valuable skill, and I've ordered a bunch of TxT targets to enable me to play with that more.
    - Tom making us accountable for our own ammo management was also a good thing. I had a bad screw up where I started a string on the command targets with a three-shot gun. My shots were the last ones fired on that particular string. Lesson learned. I'll be incorporating the speed load, something I hadn't really practiced before.
    - I was happy with my 17.5something clean Casino Drill score in front of the class. Performing when everybody's watching gets stressful, and I had to force myself to slow down and talk myself through what needed to be done.
    - One of the big things you're paying for is context, from somebody who's made the study of private defensive use of force his life. The contextual nuggets you pick up are themselves worth the tuition.
    Last edited by ssb; 08-29-2018 at 10:46 PM.

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    I attended this class as well. Tom has genuinely reduced the essential pistol skills down to these class drills. One epiphany for me was the thumbs up grip which provides a strong grip on the gun. I had been taught to shoot thumbs forward which reduces grip strength in support hand. Thumbs up also helps shooting strong/support hand only.

    I noted a weakness in not consistantly getting the gun presented from covered shirt concealment. Pulling up the shirt with both hands was helpful but I tend to grab the undershirt as well which fouled up my draw.

    The casino drill was a new challenge for me. It required thinking while shooting and is something I look forward to working on. I did not do well in this test. Target discrimination is important.

    This class really helped me refine and correct deficits in my pistols skills. I would strongly encourage taking a class with Tom Givens.

    I would also like to note that the Oconee County Sheriffs Department in Watkinsville, GA treated us very well and provided range safety and instruction as well.

    Thank you Tom Givens for all you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxy View Post
    I attended this class as well. Tom has genuinely reduced the essential pistol skills down to these class drills. One epiphany for me was the thumbs up grip which provides a strong grip on the gun. I had been taught to shoot thumbs forward which reduces grip strength in support hand. Thumbs up also helps shooting strong/support hand only.

    I noted a weakness in not consistantly getting the gun presented from covered shirt concealment. Pulling up the shirt with both hands was helpful but I tend to grab the undershirt as well which fouled up my draw.

    The casino drill was a new challenge for me. It required thinking while shooting and is something I look forward to working on. I did not do well in this test. Target discrimination is important.

    This class really helped me refine and correct deficits in my pistols skills. I would strongly encourage taking a class with Tom Givens.

    I would also like to note that the Oconee County Sheriffs OFFICE in Watkinsville, GA treated us very well and provided range safety and instruction as well.

    Thank you Tom Givens for all you do.

    You used the d-word.
    I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.

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    @Robinson it was good to see you again, and you didn't have to sing "Over There" each time you drew a pistol.
    I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    and you didn't have to sing "Over There" each time you drew a pistol.
    Yes, and that ball cap was much lighter than my old M1917 Helmet too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlw View Post
    You used the d-word.
    In every place except Cali, it's the Sheriff's Office, or as we said "the SO". In Cali, it's the Sheriff's Department. Regional stuff..
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    Even Los Angeles is calling ti the LASO now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Givens View Post
    Even Los Angeles is calling ti the LASO now.
    They didn't when I was there week before last, at least not officially. I'll still call them SOs, cause that's what they're supposed to be in Texas.
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