I guess the whole vow of poverty thing worked out about as well as celibacy. Go figure.
Personally, I long ago swore off on organized religion of any stripe. My spiritual beliefs or leanings (or lack thereof) are strictly my own and march in lockstep with no organized system, and sometimes not even with my own on any given day.
There's nothing civil about this war.
"Amen" brother.
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I guess the whole vow of poverty thing worked out about as well as celibacy. Go figure.
Personally, I long ago swore off on organized religion of any stripe. My spiritual beliefs or leanings (or lack thereof) are strictly my own and march in lockstep with no organized system, and sometimes not even with my own on any given day.
“There is no growth in the comfort zone.”--Jocko Willink
"You can never have too many knives." --Joe Ambercrombie
Despite all that we were told as kids and how it is used in casual parlance today, Nazis do not come from the political right. They were leftist too - hence the name Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei aka the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. You may recall the whole, "Hitler made the trains run on time" stick from high school history. Well, the Nazis embraced many other tenants of the left such as suppression of religion, gun control, suppression of speech, and various anti-capitalist policies. Granted, it is unclear to what extent the Nazi fascination with nationalism and racism might have overtaken a more pure adherence to socialist norms.
Anyway, conservatives are the traditional right and typically believe in limited government or at least one that doesn't go out of its way to kill its citizens. So, it hard for me to take responsibility for the Nazis when really the main difference between them and the Antifa crowd is the whole fascination with race (which I do not share).
I like my rifles like my women - short, light, fast, brown, and suppressed.
Your math is “1+1=3”. What you claim is logic is nothing more than the pathetic crap I see from conservatives: No matter what societal evil exists in the world, they figure a way to blame liberals.
So yes, I have gotten truly tired of the sanctimonious Right, a group that, for the record, claims to be in favor of good old family values. Until their guy happens to be a twice-divorced agnostic/pagan, who has had repeated affairs. The Right Is the group that lambasted Bill Clinton for being a draft dodger, but closed their eyes to the draft dodging of Donald Trump, John Ashcroft, Mitt Romney, and Dick Cheney.
The Right’s ethics and principles, in practice, are situational.
But at this point, I might as well have this discussion with my cat, or a hammer. It’s not productive. I’m done.
In the words of the old Dick Tracy shows, “6, 2 and even ,over and out.”
If we have to march off into the next world, let us walk there on the bodies of our enemies.
I couldn't care less about Bill Clinton's lack of military service. The trail of dead bodies in his wake is kinda hard to step over though.
It's a good thing though that the Left's ethics and principles aren't situational and have never turned a blind eye to something one of their candidates did. Like imagine if Hillary Clinton had voted for the Iraq war or was against gay marriage up until 2013 and switched sides to try to get elected president. Oh wait...
Your post reveals the lack of wisdom on the left, and the fact liberals cannot see that it's leftism that is their enemy, not the right. Dennis Prager is right about that.
The right can get silly too, but their silliness is only destructive in so far that it allows the left to win.
A progressive church is much more corruptible than a traditional values church whose main goal is to make better people. Sadly much of the Catholic Church has become progressive. The same is true for non-Orthodox Judaism and many Protestant churches.
A society needs good religion, without God there is no objective morality. People who pervert the religion or use it to do evil are committing grave sins against God, their direct victims and society. They are truly evil people.
Even the best forms of religion aren't perfect because they are made of mankind. Yet, we should remember that the enemy of the better is the best.
Dafuq happened in this thread?
Taking a break from social media.
We were discussing inflicting Old Testament style violence on child predators and then someone got hung up on a single word in a post and it's been a "I don't like my political party being talked about negatively so I'm gonna bring up things that the other political party has done just to show everyone that they do bad stuff too" thread.
The Nazis had a right and left side-- and the right side exterminated the left in the Night of the Long Knives to appease business and miltitary interests who were wary of "the rabble" taking power. Fascism "transcends" the left/right political spectrum, as do it's fellow travelers such as Peronism.
Neo-Nazis in the US are 100% AMERICAN right wing. The believe in small govt, no gun control, anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, etc. And now, thanks to a certain human heap of shit, they finally feel totally at home at voting for one half of the ruling party duo. Hint: it's not the party that has "progressives."
US definitions of right/conservative and left/liberal or progressive map poorly to how those words are used in the rest of the world. And right/left was originally defined by where folks sat in the French National Assembly. IMO, "right/left" obfuscates as much as it illuminates understanding of political beliefs. And the interests of our ruling .001% "transcend" left and right as well-- cheap labor with no unionization , low to no corporate taxes, no regulation on industry or the financial sector--and a USA that is PERMANENTLY on a war footing, ever since 1941, with no interest in winning wars, just an interest in a permanent funnel for public funds to be transferred into private hands.
Back to the topic at hand--I'm an atheist myself, but I don't see religion as the driver of evil here. Highly concentrated power and decision making is the problem! I know of several Southern Baptist churches that dealt with a preacher with "questionable moral behavior." In both cases, the congregation booted the offender out. When my grandparents had a preacher who basically demanded a public loyalty vote from the deacons, they went to another church. If Catholic laypeople had more power to shape their own parishes, I think this problem would be no worse than any place with authority figures who have access to kids. Which is ALWAYS going to be an issue, speaking as a schoolteacher. Creeps go where they can creep. Creating a position that demands public celabacy while having access to children and young adults basically creates a position that provides perfect cover for pedophiles AND gives them easy access to victims. (To the poster who thinks we are perverts for thinking most people have to fuck-- sorry, most folks NEED to fuck. I had a friend who was an ex-seminarian. From his mouth: "the monsenior had a mistress we all knew about, all my fellow students were having sex with women or (mostly) men, ." If Yahweh designed us, he designed us to screw. The Catholic position on celebacy is based in making sure nobles who joined didn't have legitimate heirs who would compete for inheriting land and property. The church was a way to have public power and position for landless nobles that didn't threaten the overall system.)
Rant mode OFF!
BTW, speaking again as a schoolteacher, the best way to stop kids from being molested is to have rules that no one is exempt from that make predatory behaviour very difficult. For example, don't allow adults to spend time with one small child for extended periods of time with no other adults or kids around. Don't allow an adult to chaperone a group of kids without another chaperone on an overnight trip. Teachers should be fired if they are having students over to their house with no other adults around, and the list goes on.
I'm "one of the good ones" but I am fine with tight rules to keep my kids safe, and I realize if I follow the rules, it gives the predators less wiggle room. If you hear a religious leader, teacher, or other youth leader object to firm rules such as the ones above, there is an excellent chance they are looking for an opportunity to do something they shouldn't. Remember, many predators are "great with the kids."
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