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    And, on topic, from today’s blat:

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ex-abuse-cove/

    an entire country’s bishops resign over mishandling of sexual abuse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    And, on topic, from today’s blat:

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ex-abuse-cove/

    an entire country’s bishops resign over mishandling of sexual abuse...
    They have not resigned yet, they have only offered to resign. The pope can accept, deny, or defer their resignation until a later date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    They have not resigned yet, they have only offered to resign. The pope can accept, deny, or defer their resignation until a later date.
    True. I also missed that it's an older article. These Fridays... they all tend to blur together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    Point is, the church has had covert practices for centuries, but covert is a hard thing to cultivate in today’s world, so the clarion call is clearly for potentially the most massive changes to the church in centuries.

    JMO.
    Really good post with which I can’t find much to differ. Lots of work to do, lots of prayer — especially for vocations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    To put it in a very basic way, God continually reaches out to us. He sends mission after mission after mission, all throughout our history -- the Garden, and then Noah, and then Abraham, and Moses, and over and over again, He extends the covenant, we break it, He extends it again. In Christ he broke out the tac nuke of covenants, the MOAB. Christ created the sacraments -- baptism, eucharist, confirmation, holy orders, marriage, reconciliation, and anointing of the sick -- as ways of reaching back out to us, over and over again, throughout our individual lives. In the fullness of faith, Christians use these sacraments to continually try to get back toward union with Christ (since we continually slide away). Our union isn't perfected within this life, even for the saints, but we work to get closer, and to return to closeness. As Jesus was the rescue mission sent to save the world once and for all, the sacraments are the little missions that work in each of our lives, on a daily (or at least weekly) basis.

    All baptized are priest, prophet, and king (interesting discussion for another time). But we teach and believe that the descent of the holy spirit, communicated as it was in Acts through the laying on of hands (ordination), permits some people to act -- temporarily, occasionally, and under very specific conditions -- in persona Christi Capitas. That person effects the sacraments in the place of Jesus - and just as we need Jesus, we need the priest to perform that function. We need an externality. The externality doesn't need to be perfect -- they aren't, in fact, intended to be so -- but we believe that they have a small grace through the sacrament of ordination that is biblical, Jesus-derived, and necessary.

    The Pope and bishops are primarily there to preserve the direct chain of that ordination -- they can be traced back directly to Peter -- and to preserve and defend tradition (see GK Chesterton, Orthodoxy, chapter 4 "the Ethics of Elfland," for a nearly perfect description of why tradition is important). They are there to prevent the Church from changing quickly, thus to defend it from heresies of popular opinion that would destroy it. Arianism is the greatest example, but they come up all the time. Ones from outside, like Dr. Meyer's helpful observations, don't matter much; it really becomes an issue when it comes from within (as it did with Arius). We are about to go through a whole shitpile of that as a result of the McCarrick scandal, and honestly I wish we had a Pope better grounded in theology (we had one, but he was not a great administrator and couldn't hang). Francis' gift for PR probably won't make the Pennsylvania stuff go better, and I sincerely hope he doesn't say something dumb about McCarrick.
    Whoa, Dude!

    I’ll give you a clue - that talk makes sense to you, and maybe someone in a similar orbit, but the rest of us here on earth have no idea what just happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    And, on topic, from today’s blat:

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...ex-abuse-cove/

    an entire country’s bishops resign over mishandling of sexual abuse...
    So, the issue has affected “only” the U.S., ... and Chile, ... and Ireland, and ....

    Surely there coulnd’t possibly be a culture of corruption that is literally worldwide in scope and has been in existence for decades, if not centuries and possibly millennia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post
    Really good post with which I can’t find much to differ. Lots of work to do, lots of prayer — especially for vocations.
    You're a class act, dude. For the record: I am not one of those who wishes to see the Catholic church diminished; I have seen to much good come from their charities, schools, and comfort that the faith provides to millions of ordinary people. But, Goddammit, if the entire hierarchy from top to bottom doesn't get a grip on this shit, the church is in for a beating that hasn't been seen for 2k years. JMO.

    And, it should go without saying, but: if someone puts their weenus in a kid, I don't care whether they are wearing a collar, a turban, a full-patch vest, a clown suit, or a uniform: it's fucking bullets-on-bone time, end of story. Again, JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuanoLoco View Post
    Whoa, Dude!

    I’ll give you a clue - that talk makes sense to you, and maybe someone in a similar orbit, but the rest of us here on earth have no idea what just happened.
    I know, talking to some people about theology is like trying to explain the Pantone scheme to Helen Keller. At some point you just wish them luck and hope they enjoy the ride.

    A really short version is that we need priests as individuals for the same reason that mankind needed Jesus.

    That’s a complicated topic, which illustrates why the Church thinks we need them to provide us with doctrine: because understanding even a skeletal set of theological concepts well enough to feel like you’ve really given them a fair shake out is a life’s work, and if we really did rely just on our own interpretations of Scripture we’d wind up way shy of the mark — not that you need to have even a 2+2 grasp to be all good with the Lord, but self-determined theology makes about as much sense as math based on a self-determined number system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD View Post

    A really short version is that we need priests as individuals for the same reason that mankind needed Jesus.
    Tell that to the more that 1,000 children who were raped by catholic priests...in one state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidheshooter View Post
    And, it should go without saying, but: if someone puts their weenus in a kid, I don't care whether they are wearing a collar, a turban, a full-patch vest, a clown suit, or a uniform: it's fucking bullets-on-bone time, end of story. Again, JMO.
    If you really mean that, then here they are:
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    It's called St. Luke's Institute and it's where pedo priests go for "treatment" instead of prison. I hear the gay orgies are to die for. Anyway, the address is 8901 New Hampshire Ave in Aldelphi, MD. It gets 4.3 stars on Google, so perhaps you might want to stop by for a visit...tour the grounds...maybe "shoot the breeze" a little.

    You see, I write that knowing that despite more than 1,000 kids molested in one state and a literal institute dedicated to helping pedos avoid prosecution, it's still not bullets-on-bone time. Judging by all the comments in this thread about the church "had better" or "needs to get," I'm thinking that a lot of people's outrage perpetually lives in the future. The current crisis is never quite enough, but next time...

    Life is a lot easier thinking that way. It keeps people from having to make difficult choices.

    So, don't be surprised when the pope doesn't visit, no cardinals are defrocked, and no one does shit about this crisis this time.
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