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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post
    Remember that our previous President had just over two years as a senator when he announced his candidacy for the big office.
    I suspect that the plan was for Senator Obama to be a ringer- to run, get some experience and face time, come in second, then graciously join Hillary's campaign as the VP.
    The plan ran up against the reality of Hillary, and we would up with President Obama.
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    There’s this whole narrative being built up about how the establishment Dems need to be terrified of being unseated by socialist upstarts, but it’s not super accurate. Matt Taibbi had that whole three part piece in Rolling Stone, “the battle of woodstock” and when the underdog outsiders got smashed by the big money candidates, The narrative changed to Ocasio-Cortez as the scary upstart emerging threat to the Dem status quo, presumably because of the need to keep this storyline viable. It seems to be propaganda though, and not a real thing in the way that machine politics is a real thing.
    The Weather Underground tried to blow up Diane Feinstein for not being liberal enough before I was born. She’s survived this situation before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    I suspect that the plan was for Senator Obama to be a ringer- to run, get some experience and face time, come in second, then graciously join Hillary's campaign as the VP.
    The plan ran up against the reality of Hillary, and we would up with President Obama.
    Obama and Hillary were never friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post
    Remember that our previous President had just over two years as a senator when he announced his candidacy for the big office.
    That's completely orthogonal to the comment to which you replied.

    The way the rules of the legislature work, the Democrats may lose a queen for a more ideologically correct pawn. Until he gets some seniority in committees, he won't have a fraction of the legislative clout of the person he replaced, no matter how frothing his ideology is.

    The downside of this is that it's gradually going to happen across the entire Democratic legislature, and six or twelve years down the road, this guy will have some pull on committees. Or he could go sit in the Oval Office with his hands tied and sell guns like Barry did. The last eight years showed that, other than appointing judges, the Executive Branch is about out of gun-grabbing options. All Barry could do after every telegenic massacre is go on teevee and offer thoughts and prayers while stroking his chin and frowning sorrowfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GardoneVT View Post
    Obama and Hillary were never friends.
    Friendship had nothing to do with it. Go back before 2008, and Senator Obama would come across as the perfect running mate: young, well spoken, black (but not "too black")- everything Hillary could want to give her campaign more appeal. Ever wonder why they gave him the keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention?
    All this was a good plan until he realized he could win right then and there. Why wait for 2016 and possibly get saddled with any baggage from Hillary's presidency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    All Barry could do after every telegenic massacre is go on teevee and offer thoughts and prayers while stroking his chin and frowning sorrowfully.
    1. Rewriting NFA procedure without so much as a lifted fingernail from the legislature.
    2. Declaring that virtually all "gunsmithing" is actually "manufacturing" (in contravention of fifty years or so of case law accepted and promoted by the BATFE) so that it becomes regulated under ITAR.
    3. Declaring that if equipment owned by a business is used after hours by an employee or non-employee to manufacture a firearm without any compensation to the business, that business is in the business of manufacturing firearms.
    4. Tellling everybody that "you're a dealer if we say you're a dealer, and we won't tell you in advance what the criteria are for being a dealer" in order to chill normal activity.
    5. Operation Choke Point.

    There's probably some more nothing out there that he did, but that's more than enough "phone and pen" nothing for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlongJohnson View Post
    1. Rewriting NFA procedure without so much as a lifted fingernail from the legislature.
    2. Declaring that virtually all "gunsmithing" is actually "manufacturing" (in contravention of fifty years or so of case law accepted and promoted by the BATFE) so that it becomes regulated under ITAR.
    3. Declaring that if equipment owned by a business is used after hours by an employee or non-employee to manufacture a firearm without any compensation to the business, that business is in the business of manufacturing firearms.
    4. Tellling everybody that "you're a dealer if we say you're a dealer, and we won't tell you in advance what the criteria are for being a dealer" in order to chill normal activity.
    5. Operation Choke Point.

    There's probably some more nothing out there that he did, but that's more than enough "phone and pen" nothing for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in PNG View Post
    Friendship had nothing to do with it. Go back before 2008, and Senator Obama would come across as the perfect running mate: young, well spoken, black (but not "too black")- everything Hillary could want to give her campaign more appeal. Ever wonder why they gave him the keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention?
    All this was a good plan until he realized he could win right then and there. Why wait for 2016 and possibly get saddled with any baggage from Hillary's presidency?
    As it so happened, my high school self was handing out insurance ads at a few Chicago area Democrat political events and thus had a nosebleed seat to the Democratic Party machine.
    At that time Obama was still a Senator, and even then he had his sights set on the White House in ‘08. So did Mrs Clinton. For a brief time the Dems has a major political crisis heading into the ‘08 primary.A minority candidate with full support of the Chicago machine against a female Clinton with established supporters would be a political bloodbath for the Dems , so a compromise was brokered internally between the Obama/Clinton camps . Naturally Obama held a bigger section of the African American vote then Clinton, so pragmatically he was the better candidate to run in 2008 vs Clinton, who even then didn’t enjoy the best public perception.

    This is allegedly how Clinton got her cabinet post as a concession for not running in the primary , and may be why so many foreign policy issues like Libya happened on Obama’s watch during his first term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GardoneVT View Post
    This is allegedly how Clinton got her cabinet post as a concession for not running in the primary , and may be why so many foreign policy issues like Libya happened on Obama’s watch during his first term.
    emphasis added

    The thing is, the Clinton/Obama contest of 08 was rather raucous and nasty- remember the "3am phone call" ad?
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    Feinstein appears to me, a Texan, to be out of step with much of California. She can be called a "moderate Democrat," but she opposed legalized marijuana, advocated putting backdoors in encryption, and many things that made me wonder how she hung on as long as she did. I expect she'll win in November, however, unless she pulls out early "to spend time with her family."

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