Well, damn. I can still use them as range mags.Originally Posted by Cypher
Well, damn. I can still use them as range mags.
I do not, and here is why.
Beretta 92G Compact
147 HST - 944, 934, 937 Avg=938.6 PF=138.0
124 GD+P - 1208, 1190, 1194 Avg=1197 PF=148.4
GLOCK 43
147 HST - 939, 927, 957 Avg=941.6 PF=138.4
124 GD +P - 1101, 1098, 1104 Avg=1101 PF=136.5
GLOCK 19 G4
147 HST - 998, 995, 989 Avg=994.5 PF=146.1
124 GD +P - 1162, 1184, 1192 Avg=1179 PF146.2
I typically keep to these two rounds, but I have the 147 HST in the 43, as it performs quite well without the extra pressure and recoil of the +P. The 92 Compact gets the GD as it performs significantly better, and with its size and weight, recoil difference is negligible.
I use the identical ammo that my former agency issues.
I'm not a lawyer so don't take my word for it but I think according to the law if you legally purchased the magazine out of state and then moved to Colorado you'd be covered unless you transfered the magazine to someone in Colorado. BUT I don't see anything in the law about visiting Colorado.
C.R.S. 18-12-302
COLORADO REVISED STATUTES
* This document reflects changes current through all laws passed at the
Second Regular Session of the Sixty-Ninth General Assembly
of the State of Colorado (2014)
and changes approved by the electorate at the November 2014 election *
TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 3. LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
C.R.S. 18-12-302 (2014)
18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties - exceptions
(1) (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, on and after July 1, 2013, a person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity magazine commits a class 2 misdemeanor.
(b) Any person who violates this subsection (1) after having been convicted of a prior violation of said subsection (1) commits a class 1 misdemeanor.
(c) Any person who violates this subsection (1) commits a class 6 felony if the person possessed a large-capacity magazine during the commission of a felony or any crime of violence, as defined in section 18-1.3-406.
(2) (a) A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she:
(I) Owns the large-capacity magazine on July 1, 2013; and
(II) Maintains continuous possession of the large-capacity magazine.
(b) If a person who is alleged to have violated subsection (1) of this section asserts that he or she is permitted to legally possess a large-capacity magazine pursuant to paragraph (a) of this subsection (2), the prosecution has the burden of proof to refute the assertion.
(3) The offense described in subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to:
(a) An entity, or any employee thereof engaged in his or her employment duties, that manufactures large-capacity magazines within Colorado exclusively for transfer to, or any licensed gun dealer, as defined in section 12-26.1-106 (6), C.R.S., or any employee thereof engaged in his or her official employment duties, that sells large-capacity magazines exclusively to:
(I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States;
(II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government;
(III) A firearms retailer for the purpose of firearms sales conducted outside the state;
(IV) A foreign national government that has been approved for such transfers by the United States government; or
(V) An out-of-state transferee who may legally possess a large-capacity magazine; or
(b) An employee of any of the following agencies who bears a firearm in the course of his or her official duties:
(I) A branch of the armed forces of the United States; or
(II) A department, agency, or political subdivision of the state of Colorado, or of any other state, or of the United States government; or
(c) A person who possesses the magazine for the sole purpose of transporting the magazine to an out-of-state entity on behalf of a manufacturer of large-capacity magazines within Colorado.
I just limit myself to carrying 15 round magazines it's easier
Last edited by Cypher; 07-28-2018 at 12:26 PM.
I'll just use them as planned to avoid any hassles. Thanks!
I go out of my way to ensure I buy the ammunition that is on sale or least expensive.
All the talk in the world about this that and the other makes zero practical difference in the real world.
You can get much more of what you want with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.
Then, why not just use FMJ as that's typically cheaper than any of the premium hollow points? Or, white box HPs?
Sean M, you've explained this before and with respect I'm still not sure I understand the point you are making -- unless it is to say that shot placement trumps everything else.
If a bullet expands like crazy but doesn't penetrate enough to reach something vital, then a FMJ bullet would have probably been better in that case. On the other hand, a FMJ bullet or a hollow point that fails to expand might tend to poke a hole through the target without causing a bunch of damage. If a bullet design that is proven to offer ideal penetration and expansion doesn't matter then a lot of threads in this forum section -- including ones that DocGKR has participated in -- are just a big waste of time.
It's possible I'm too dense to pick up what you are putting down.
What about the gold dot's performance is significantly better? Is it penetrating deeper, or expanding larger then the hst? What advantage are you gaining with one over the others? Just looking at the performance data that I care about, ie. expansion & penetration through heavy clothing, both of those loads seem to perform very well (and very similarly) accross a wide range of barrel lengths.
I have. With great success.
You can get much more of what you want with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone.
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