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    I look at gun training like this...

    You are spending a fair bit of money to learn a dangerous skill that, in the event your life is on the line, could mean the difference between life and death. You want to avoid getting shot learning it, you want to avoid learning outdated techniques, and you want to avoid paying money to shysters.

    Spend wisely. It isn't hard to find good training. If you happen to look in the "upcoming classes" section of the forum you probably won't find a Front Sight class.

    I'd call it a clue.

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    If you have a hardon to learn the Modern Technique, go to where it started and get to Gunsite. If you want to learn the latest TTPs, there are like 10 million dudes teaching good shit.

    There’s literally no reason to go to Front Sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caleb View Post
    There’s literally no reason to go to Front Sight.
    Unless you're into Scientology, time shares & porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talionis View Post
    Friends don't let friends go to Front Sight. It is the gun culture version of a cult.
    Can you provide more color? I had only heard good things as bout it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zincwarrior View Post
    Can you provide more color? I had only heard good things as bout it.
    If you web search "Dr. Ignatius Piazza" you should find all the color you desire.
    "You can't win a war with choirboys. " Mad Mike Hoare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zincwarrior View Post
    Can you provide more color? I had only heard good things as bout it.
    Others have already covered plenty of it. I have instructed a number of FS grads, from all levels of their curriculum. Each one of them a) thought they were much better than they were, b) treated firearm manipulations like a Kata and were thus inflexible and unable to adapt to circumstances, and c) had substandard technique when it came to actually shooting. When I say substandard technique I don't mean "shoots Weaver instead of Isosceles", I mean "shitty weaver and never learned how to grip the gun or pull the trigger".

    That is only addressing some of the flaws in curriculum there. The cult-like/multi level marketing nature of things there would keep the informed away even if they taught something of value.
    Last edited by Talionis; 06-27-2018 at 04:39 PM.
    TY83544

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    Not a big fan of Front Sight. I did a 4-day defensive handgun course there about 10 years ago. It was my first formal firearms training (outside the military), but even then I recognized the techniques were somewhat dated (e.g Weaver Stance).

    Generally speaking, the quality of instruction is not great.

    On the other hand, I know a guy who has done of ton of training there over the past 18 months. He went through the Front Sight "Handgun Master" program (or whatever they call it). He told me that once you get past the basic courses, everybody shoots isosceles and the techniques are much more modern.

    EDIT: He is a high B Class shooter, knocking on A Class. So nothing special by PF standards.


    The pricing is classic high/low strategy. The "regular" price is grossly elevated so the "discounted" rate seems like a bargain. A lifetime membership can be purchased quite inexpensively. Various upgrade packages are available, but I've never been motivated to explore them.

    TLDR: I went once a decade ago, and that was enough for me. In general, FS is to firearms training what McDonald's is to nutrition. Better than nothing, but there's much better choices available for the time and money.
    Last edited by Mark D; 06-27-2018 at 05:33 PM. Reason: get my facts straight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talionis View Post
    Others have already covered plenty of it. I have instructed a number of FS grads, from all levels of their curriculum. Each one of them a) thought they were much better than they were, .... I mean "shitty weaver and never learned how to grip the gun or pull the trigger".
    Yeah, that sounds like me after training there.

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    If I were willing to go to Vegas, I'd go farther west and take a Scott Reitz class.
    "Gunfighting is a thinking man's game. So we might want to bring thinking back into it."-MDFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zincwarrior View Post
    Can you provide more color? I had only heard good things as bout it.
    Very informative. Thanks guys.

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