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    Quote Originally Posted by xcop View Post
    Cant say .....the dept armorer killed the range chrono on the first shot of some 9mm we were testing
    Been there. Done that. I guess anything set in front of a muzzle will get shot eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokarev View Post
    Long overdue but I finally shot a couple 38 Special lead bullet loads into 10% organic gel. I used a Ruger LCR for the test. Gel was shot from ten feet.

    The first load is a full wadcutter from Double Tap. This is not billed as a +P load and is loaded with a cast double ended bullet not a swaged or hollow base wadcutter.

    Velocity of the Double Tap was pretty low, not surprisingly. My Caldwell chronograph showed an average of about 735 feet per second. Recoil, as expected, was mild.

    I fired three rounds of the DT load. Two into bare gel and one through FBI clothing. The bare gel bullets passed through my 20" block while the bullet fired through clothing went to about 15.5 inches.

    Note the dark smudge pictured behind the bullet. This is a plug of clothing that was shed as the bullet neared the end of its travel.

    Is this the .38 Special wadcutter that you tested above?

    http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.p...product_id=629

    The average velocity that you got seems to be right in line with the 2''-barrel velocities advertised by DT.

    Predictive modeling shows that you should be getting about 17.25'' (Q-model) to 19.36'' (mTHOR model) to 20.79'' (MacPherson model) of penetration with that WC at 735 fps in 10% gelatin.

    BTW, I find your work to be very admirable. It takes quite a commitment to go through all that you are doing. Thanks and Kudos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    Is this the .38 Special wadcutter that you tested above?

    http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.p...product_id=629

    The average velocity that you got seems to be right in line with the 2''-barrel velocities advertised by DT.
    Yep. That's the stuff.

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    Thanks.
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    If you're interested in buying the same wadcutter used by Double Tap and Buffalo Bore for their .38 Special loads, you can buy it here:

    http://snscasting.com/38-357-148-gra...-coated-500ct/

    I've shot several thousand of them over 3.5 grains of Bullseye for a full power WC load. Simply excellent.

    Also, look at these articles by one of the most experienced guys in the industry:

    http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris...FBI%20Load.htm

    http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris...adcutterQA.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Dobbs View Post
    If you're interested in buying the same wadcutter used by Double Tap and Buffalo Bore for their .38 Special loads, you can buy it here:

    http://snscasting.com/38-357-148-gra...-coated-500ct/

    I've shot several thousand of them over 3.5 grains of Bullseye for a full power WC load. Simply excellent.
    Wayne,

    From what barrel length are you firing them and what kind of velocities are you getting with that handload?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Schwartz View Post
    Wayne,

    From what barrel length are you firing them and what kind of velocities are you getting with that handload?
    Smith and Wesson Model 15-7 4" - 780 fps; unknown velocities from several 1 7/8" and 3" barrel revolvers. Seems to shoot to same POA/POI as standard pressure 158 grain ammo.
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    A post on another forum reminded me about this thread. I had planned to mess around a bit more with 38 but the stuff really fell off the radar.

    Did we already discuss the actual Buffalo Bore bullet? Here it is:

    https://rimrockbullets.com/xcart/g-c...-ammo-box.html

    Another cast hollowpoint option. I can see how the thinner walls at the edges of the pentagon might help the bullet expand. Or it could just create weak points that will break off immediately.

    https://www.montanabulletworks.com/s...er_caliber=357




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