Good "Technique Focused" Pistol Instruction

[JAD]

So this might be a thread split -- I'll leave that up to the staff -- but as I mentioned my classes were a) a long time ago and b) never very focused on shooting technique after 250. I shoot about as well as I should given my utter inattention to the topic over the past many years and my fundamental inability to master physical skills. I would like to shoot better and faster; I am completely disinterested in competition given my time budget; and I'm certainly not particularly married to any technique. I need to pick an instructor who can give me an effective technique for freestyle and SHO shooting; they will need to train over my existing technique, but frankly I doubt I'll fight it much. I will follow up that class with less than an hour a week of dry fire and less than two hours per month of useful range time, so if it's not going to be something that I can accomplish under those constraints I probably shouldn't even start. I would vastly prefer a three day class but will deal with a five day if I have to (though that could push it into 2013 pretty quickly). Location is irrelevant -- they make airplanes.

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

[Tony Muhlenkamp]

So this might be a thread split -- I'll leave that up to the staff -- but as I mentioned my classes were a) a long time ago and b) never very focused on shooting technique after 250. I shoot about as well as I should given my utter inattention to the topic over the past many years and my fundamental inability to master physical skills. I would like to shoot better and faster; I am completely disinterested in competition given my time budget; and I'm certainly not particularly married to any technique. I need to pick an instructor who can give me an effective technique for freestyle and SHO shooting; they will need to train over my existing technique, but frankly I doubt I'll fight it much. I will follow up that class with less than an hour a week of dry fire and less than two hours per month of useful range time, so if it's not going to be something that I can accomplish under those constraints I probably shouldn't even start. I would vastly prefer a three day class but will deal with a five day if I have to (though that could push it into 2013 pretty quickly). Location is irrelevant -- they make airplanes.

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

IMHO, Randy Cain, Tactical Handgun 101. http://www.guntactics.com/Handgun.htm Google his name for class reviews posted on various sites at various times; and you can in fact believe most of what you read about him.

By way of background, I am a middle aged, ordinary person with bad back, knees and shoulders. Full time job, full time family, time constraints similar to yours. Not an operator, not a competitor, only been shooting for 5-6 years and nowhere near as good a shooter as most of the folks on this board. But I can get good hits in reasonable time and Randy taught me to do it. FWIW

[mpd046]

So this might be a thread split -- I'll leave that up to the staff -- but as I mentioned my classes were a) a long time ago and b) never very focused on shooting technique after 250. I shoot about as well as I should given my utter inattention to the topic over the past many years and my fundamental inability to master physical skills. I would like to shoot better and faster; I am completely disinterested in competition given my time budget; and I'm certainly not particularly married to any technique. I need to pick an instructor who can give me an effective technique for freestyle and SHO shooting; they will need to train over my existing technique, but frankly I doubt I'll fight it much. I will follow up that class with less than an hour a week of dry fire and less than two hours per month of useful range time, so if it's not going to be something that I can accomplish under those constraints I probably shouldn't even start. I would vastly prefer a three day class but will deal with a five day if I have to (though that could push it into 2013 pretty quickly). Location is irrelevant -- they make airplanes.

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

I've got Pat Mcnamara coming to Maryville IL (just across the state from you) in May to teach a 2 day pistol class. Pat ended his time with Delta as that unit's Marksmanship Instructor. We have room if your interested. From what I've read he tailors the class to the individual.

http://store.greygrouptraining.com/2....S.-18202.html

Matt

[JAD]

I've got Pat Mcnamara coming to Maryville IL (just across the state from you) in May to teach a 2 day pistol class. Pat ended his time with Delta as that unit's Marksmanship Instructor. We have room if your interested. From what I've read he tailors the class to the individual.

http://store.greygrouptraining.com/2....S.-18202.html

Matt

Thanks, Matt. I'll take that into consideration.

[agent-smith]

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

There's some guy named "Todd" something-or-other that teaches something about "Aiming Fast" and "Hitting Fast", but I don't know how you'd get a hold of him.

I hear he goes to the NRA Range and wears really crappy watches; you could try going there and look for the guy wearing an old Timex or Armitron.

Wait, you could maybe try: http://pistol-training.com/classes

[GJM]

So this might be a thread split -- I'll leave that up to the staff -- but as I mentioned my classes were a) a long time ago and b) never very focused on shooting technique after 250. I shoot about as well as I should given my utter inattention to the topic over the past many years and my fundamental inability to master physical skills. I would like to shoot better and faster; I am completely disinterested in competition given my time budget; and I'm certainly not particularly married to any technique. I need to pick an instructor who can give me an effective technique for freestyle and SHO shooting; they will need to train over my existing technique, but frankly I doubt I'll fight it much. I will follow up that class with less than an hour a week of dry fire and less than two hours per month of useful range time, so if it's not going to be something that I can accomplish under those constraints I probably shouldn't even start. I would vastly prefer a three day class but will deal with a five day if I have to (though that could push it into 2013 pretty quickly). Location is irrelevant -- they make airplanes.

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

Without question, as you define your objective, it is the Rogers Shooting School, because of the combination of their teaching methods, the time constraints and their target system.

[TGS]

2) By contrast, when you show up at Rogers Shooting School, Bill explains the evolution of stances, and why the Modern Iso has become the most effective stance for achieving the highest score on the school test, with quantitative results going back decades. No pressure to change, unless YOU want to. Of course, getting your score on the test read out loud each day, and the shooting order rearranged daily by cumulative scores, provides a strong incentive to use the techniques conducive to best performance. I believe if someone showed up shooting a whole new method, that Bill could test on his range and verify, RSS would be teaching it as the default within a month. To reinforce that, I ended up disagreeing with RSS doctrine on a reloading technique in the shotgun module, and Bill's reaction was to test against me, man on man. When my method showed some promise, I was amazed when I arrived the next morning for pistol, Bill told me to grab my shotgun and head down to his target area near his workshop, to test it further. This seems the ideal of using data to drive teaching method.

Wow.

That speaks volumes, and I don't even know if you were trying to make it that way.

I need to get to RSS.

[Chuck Haggard]

So this might be a thread split -- I'll leave that up to the staff -- but as I mentioned my classes were a) a long time ago and b) never very focused on shooting technique after 250. I shoot about as well as I should given my utter inattention to the topic over the past many years and my fundamental inability to master physical skills. I would like to shoot better and faster; I am completely disinterested in competition given my time budget; and I'm certainly not particularly married to any technique. I need to pick an instructor who can give me an effective technique for freestyle and SHO shooting; they will need to train over my existing technique, but frankly I doubt I'll fight it much. I will follow up that class with less than an hour a week of dry fire and less than two hours per month of useful range time, so if it's not going to be something that I can accomplish under those constraints I probably shouldn't even start. I would vastly prefer a three day class but will deal with a five day if I have to (though that could push it into 2013 pretty quickly). Location is irrelevant -- they make airplanes.

Who is the best possible instructor for that task, and what is the class that I should take from that instructor?

The guys down at TDSA-Tulsa did a very good job for me. I was a Weaver guy, for many years. I took their AP-1 and switched my stance, grip, and draw after that weekend.

http://www.tdsatulsa.com/

[JAD]

IMHO, Randy Cain,

I'm of course very familiar with Randy, and have it in my head that he is one of the great independents. However, I think of him as a classic Modern Technique instructor (I.e. someone I'm already in deep agreement with). I'd learn a lot from randy, but I doubt he would screw with the way I shoot. He, Jeans, Campbell, and Awerbuck are all in that category for me -- I hope to train with them and will learn a lot but I don't think I'm going to learn a lot about technique.

Or has cain switched to a 'modern iso/weaver?'

[GJM]

I am hoping to attend Randy's Handgun 2 next week, have trained with him many times, and he is a favorite instructor. He doesn't teach Modern Iso.