Sonora? Chihuahua? Coahuila? Nuevo Leon? Tamaulipas?Originally Posted by Drang
F. All of the above.
Sonora? Chihuahua? Coahuila? Nuevo Leon? Tamaulipas?
F. All of the above.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
He was suggesting Cali, but now that you mention it...
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I work as a school teacher in a rural school district.
Before that, I worked as a medical debt collector, god help me.
You know who was the typical collectee in my previous job?
Rural, white, self-employed, and bleating IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT! GO FUCK YOURSELF, I DON'T CARE ABOUT MY CREDIT! GODDAMN IMMIGRANTS!
None of my well off students has jobs. These are all white. Virtually all the non-white ones do.
The most successful con of all time has been convincing white folks with money that when they default on debts and they pass the debt onto the rest of us via higher costs for medical care they can still wear a halo, but dear god, public assistance is COMMUNISM! GET A JOB! While they take trips and vacations and their kid plays multiple sports, no worries about a job.
Not that the dems don't work to destroy the middle class, as California shows...
If the poor are the problem, why is true ownership of this country concentrating in fewer and fewer hands? Gee, that doesn't resemble "Atlas Shrugged" at all!
I am not a believer in Communism, but "false consciousness" is completely true as a concept. The Marxists forgot about making sure white folks see brown folks as the enemy at all times, (and vice versa) no matter that the basic issues they face are virtually 100% the same. It's been a winning strategy for a long for the elites in the southern US for over 200 years.
My grandfather only passed the 8th grade. He manged to be middle class. The path he took to achieve that is gone. It was not erased by the government.
BTW, by "self-employed" I mean guys generally pulling down six figures a year. No insurance.
I have dozens of stories of people in the USA who bemoaned their poor state, and were offered better work. One lady was offered a full time job as an office assistant for better pay than the part time job she was complaining about. Guess what- she turned it flat down.
Another lady wrote a real weepy letter about her poor financial state to my church. We offered her a job... and she lasted about two hours before she took off.
One young man I'm related to didn't have a car or driver's license. I offered to teach him to drive, and to sell him my very well maintained Vibe for a really low price. He worked about a month, then decided not to go back, and never took me up on the offer.
Another relative has been given various chances to get himself together since the mid 90's, and blows it every single time.
And these aren't the ones who are serious drunks or addicts- those people are a higher level of messed up.
People like to blame something or someone else for their own problems.
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I appreciate that you've exited the discussion here in this thread. I can appreciate your stance and am not tarring and feathering you with the socialist label.
I found some time to reply.
The limits you mention are for the most part more determinable technically than a poverty line and by corollary UBI. Medicare and social security benefits are arbitrary similar to poverty lines, minimum wages, and the conceptual basis of UBI. Solider pay is a whole separate discussion.
Briefly my alternative is for information to be available to help the poor. Help them figure out 'how' to get out of the mess they are in. Many poor are shockingly and astonishingly ignorant about simple things that can get them through life. Secondly, it should be allowed for people to allocate how their taxes are to be spent. This would enable a more efficient and direct form of contribution to charitable endeavors that the government directs and manages. It isn't solely about 'popularity' it is the forced, coerced, and uncontrollable contributions to causes that are an issue. If there is a true choice then great. Gofundme is an example.
One of the biggest problems with government benefits is that the programs are specifically designed not to get people back on their feet, but to knock them back down as soon as they make any real progress towards getting back on your feet. They remain dependent on the system and reliable voters for Democratic candidates.
For example, if one is dependent on some government run health insurance programs, one cannot have more than a small amount of money in any bank account or earn more than a certain amount of income every month without losing that benefit. So, they have to intentionally limit their hours worked and income.
The system needs to be designed to give people a hand up rather than a hand out. Let people build up wealth while on the benefit, but put a time limit on the benefit.
If one qualifies for food stamps, keep in mind that one is paying the taxes that support the food stamp program regardless of whether the program is utilized or not. Even if you might prefer not to have the benefit, you have no choice about paying for it, so why not take it? Just be prepared to lose it when you start earning more money.
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Don't bow out. I've found your posts to be insightful and interesting, even if they go against the traditional line of thinking that I've taken. I would go so far as to say that this is one of the few times where I've seen an advocate of a social or government program against which I'd normally go communicate the benefits of such a program intelligently and articulately. It has been a joy to read.
I know someone mentioned the Finnish project earlier in the thread and I just happened upon this article in USA Today...
And another article on the topic in today's NY Times...Finland paid unemployed people a basic income of $685 every month. It didn't work out
Finland's basic income program that drew international attention was a bust, the Finnish government announced Tuesday.
The pilot program that paid about 2,000 randomly-chosen unemployed Finnish people a monthly check of €560 ($685) will stop by the end of the year, the BBC reports.
The program, which started January 2017, was the first of it's kind in Europe. The government hoped the extra money would fuel the economy and innovation. The unemployment rate in Finland exceeds 8% and was 9.2% when the program launched. By comparison, the U.S. has an unemployment rate of 4.1%, according to the most recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
A study published in February by the think tank Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development said the country's income tax must increase by almost 30% to fund basic income, and instead suggested a universal credit system as a better solution.
Last edited by blues; 04-25-2018 at 09:15 AM.
There's nothing civil about this war.
I hope they secede, the first thing that should be done the day after, is to, block every highway going in or out, cut off their water, power, jam all of their communations (cell phones, radio, tv etc)freeze all of their assets, cut all forms of welfare, including medicare, medicaid, social secturity payments, blockade the coast, preventing any shipping from leaving or entering, as well as a no- fly zone over the entire state. Then sit back and watch and wait..they'll collaspe within two weeks.. As Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand"
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