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    Trump: Welfare Recipients Must Work If Able Bodied

    Finally a step in the right direction.

    Now, to get some public works programs initiated a la WPA to ensure that able bodied folks who cannot find work in the private sector will at least pitch in and do something to repay the taxpayer footing the bill.

    I have been railing about this since 1977. Is it possible that "meaningful" reform is coming? (Probably too much to hope for.)
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    It will be decried as "racist" in 3,2,1...
    Plus, if a WPA like project is formed under Trump, he will (again) be compared to Hitler for creating "forced labor camps". At this point, it seems whatever he does, it's not good enough for some, or antichrist level for others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWM11B View Post
    It will be decried as "racist" in 3,2,1...
    Plus, if a WPA like project is formed under Trump, he will (again) be compared to Hitler for creating "forced labor camps". At this point, it seems whatever he does, it's not good enough for some, or antichrist level for others.
    I don't have the numbers, so I'm guessing...but I'm pretty sure that there are millions of white citizens on public assistance, (food stamps, medicaid, family assistance), so that it should be pretty clear that it's not a matter of race but of sound social and economic policy.

    But what do I know? (And for those unwilling to acknowledge the truth...that's their problem, imho. We've allowed baseless claims to steer policy for too long in this and other arenas.)
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    I have no problem with this in theory. I have little confidence with it in practice. That's probably because no matter how cool it sounds, it's just another federal program. Does anybody remember CETA? It started before my time, so I don't know exactly how the money worked. What I do remember is city departments that really wanted to ditch the remaining CETA hires because they were worthless employees.
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    @blues, missed the exit window to add I agree with this concept 100%, and have been screaming it almost as long as you have. I'm well aware there are far more whites on the dole than blacks, but this, like so many other issues that are not about race either, will become all about it in the narrative. Gonna be bowing out of GD now, carry on.
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    I'd love to be wrong, but I think we've passed the tipping point on entitlements. Too many votes rely on something from Uncle Sammy to backtrack on the ingrained, institutional welfare system.

    But, that was the whole point wasn't it?
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    Well, one thing the article got wrong and Trump got right. Food stamps and Medicaid are welfare programs and drawing a distinction between them is really unnecessary in a political sense. I believe all Americans, who have worked a job and paid taxes, are entitled to claim their welfare benefits in times of need. Primarily, because we pay the taxes that are effectively "insurance" for those instances. But folks who claim benefits without working and paying taxes, shouldn't be allowed to claim them.

    Regardless of what the non-partisan talking head said. There are hundreds of thousands of able-bodied people claiming some form of welfare benefits. There are complete scam systems with folks moving states every 2-3 years to claim benefits as their benefits in one state expire. And its these folks, whether they make up the minority or majority of welfare recipients that are the issue with the welfare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverRob View Post
    Well, one thing the article got wrong and Trump got right. Food stamps and Medicaid are welfare programs and drawing a distinction between them is really unnecessary in a political sense. I believe all Americans, who have worked a job and paid taxes, are entitled to claim their welfare benefits in times of need. Primarily, because we pay the taxes that are effectively "insurance" for those instances. But folks who claim benefits without working and paying taxes, shouldn't be allowed to claim them.

    Regardless of what the non-partisan talking head said. There are hundreds of thousands of able-bodied people claiming some form of welfare benefits. There are complete scam systems with folks moving states every 2-3 years to claim benefits as their benefits in one state expire. And its these folks, whether they make up the minority or majority of welfare recipients that are the issue with the welfare system.
    And as for the companies that, in essence, use SNAP to subsidize their paying low wages, what of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    I don't have the numbers, so I'm guessing...but I'm pretty sure that there are millions of white citizens on public assistance, (food stamps, medicaid, family assistance)...
    I work a block away from the county Welfare, ahem, I mean Assistance Office and there are plenty of pale faces walking in and out who are likely not employees there as the people who work there that get oil changes here drive Neons and Aveos with PA plates, not Lincoln Navigators and Lexuses with NY and Jersey tags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWM11B View Post
    @blues, missed the exit window to add I agree with this concept 100%, and have been screaming it almost as long as you have. I'm well aware there are far more whites on the dole than blacks, but this, like so many other issues that are not about race either, will become all about it in the narrative. Gonna be bowing out of GD now, carry on.
    I hear ya, brother. Hope you didn't think I was presuming to lecture...'cause that's not my style. I was just stating what I would consider the obvious...and yet which so many find so (objectionable) hard to understand. While it's no longer surprising, it continues to be disconcerting.

    Deliberate ignorance. We should take the same view of it, (in our lives and in policy making), as the courts do.
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