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    Quote Originally Posted by GyroF-16 View Post
    Same problem in Colorado, particularly Denver and surrounding areas.
    Add the urban/suburban areas of VA to that list. I suppose most of the "blueness" is coming from NY/NJ/MD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deputyG23 View Post
    Add the urban/suburban areas of VA to that list. I suppose most of the "blueness" is coming from NY/NJ/MD.
    To be fair, some people "flee" those states...and aren't the ones responsible for spreading the "culture", such as it is. (I know you know this...just felt a need to express it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    To be fair, some people "flee" those states...and aren't the ones responsible for spreading the "culture", such as it is. (I know you know this...just felt a need to express it.)
    Agreed. I tend to forget that a significant amount of it is homegrown as well.
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    It's funny how some people think. I had been asked to test fire a Hi-Point 9mm carbine and was returning it to my lgs. Once inside and while standing there with it, another customer(Ca transplant)came in with a collector grade M1 Garand. Oddly, this man began chastising me for having a Columbine gun. I pointed out that had the C shooter used a Garand, then the results would have been more tragic. Finally I asked this: Other than the Hi-Point being a piece of shit, what are you really saying? Should one be banned and not the other? If so, by what criteria? The guy stared, said nothing, and walked out. Being a gentleman, I did not tell him he was full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willie View Post
    Oddly, this man began chastising me for having a Columbine gun.
    Is that what we've gotten to? Any gun you don't like the looks of is a "kiddie killer" gun? Fuck him bloody.

    I really don't get worked up over a lot of shit (plenty to get worked up over that matters), but shit like that irks me to no end. The absolutely VILE terminology people use is completely unacceptable. Maybe where I'm looking to retire isn't vacant enough after all...

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    The bill’s authors, and plenty of reporters, claim there were 162 fatal events involving officers in CA last year and that half of the suspects (81?) were unarmed.

    Well, with a bit of research, they are disingenuous at best. I think stronger words are in order.

    I first looked at Cal DoJ’s Open Justice portal. However, the last year of data on it is from 2016.

    But the bill's authors said 162 shot & killed, so I checked the Washington Post fatal force page for 2017 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2017/).

    That page lists 162 officer involved fatalities for California in 2017 which matches the claims of the authors and reporters.

    Going to the weapons tabs, I get different numbers than the authors or reporters. Half (81) were armed with firearms. What about the other half?

    37 had a knife, 9 used a vehicle, 7 had a replica firearm, 13 had "other", "unarmed" was 11, and unknown was 4.

    "Other" covered: metal pipes, pitch fork, hammers, blunt object, ax, rock, baseball bats, metal object, an unknown weapon, & a beer bottle.

    As for “Unarmed” ... seven were fleeing, 3 in cars, not enough information for the others.

    And in the "Unknown" category three of the four were described as fleeing while one was not. With those "fleeing" I can't tell if they met the standard in Tennessee v Garner.

    So, the assertion by the bill's authors and the NPR reporter that "half were unarmed" is not just disingenuous but is in fact actually a lie. And a lie that should have been easily caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus McFee View Post
    So, the assertion by the bill's authors and the NPR reporter that "half were unarmed" is not just disingenuous but is in fact actually a lie. And a lie that should have been easily caught.
    "Deliberate Ignorance" (in furtherance of an agenda) comes immediately to mind.

    (Link provided for those who may be unfamiliar with the term.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GyroF-16 View Post
    Same problem in Colorado, particularly Denver and surrounding areas.
    I don’t agree with this idea. Sure there’s some movement of people into conservative and rural areas from big cities,but from my perch there’s plenty of rural folls who are buying into this culture as well. You’d be surprised how many Republican voters think the same things urban Democrats do regarding law enforcement.
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