Week 258: Five-Yard Roundup

[Mr_White]

Week 258: Five-Yard Roundup

Results may be posted until April 2nd, 2018.

Designed by: Justin Dyal
Range: 5 yards
Target: B8 repair center, download here: https://pistol-forum.com/attachment....1&d=1322428748
Start Position: Varies, see below
Rounds Fired: 10

Let's try FAST Challenge Coinholder #05 Justin Dyal's drill that has been under discussion here on Pistol-Forum!

See original article by Justin Dyal here: https://www.swatmag.com/article/five...86&vsoid=A9486

Join the Pistol-Forum discussion here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....e-Yard-Problem

From the original article (bold added by me):

Like most of my drills, it is meant to be simple and easy to administer. All the shooter needs are his duty or carry setup, ten rounds, and an NRA B-8 repair center (25-yard bullseye) stapled up five yards away.

There are four strings of fire, each with a time limit of 2.5 seconds. (Remember the three-second statistic? We want to be effective within that time.) Scoring is by the rings on the target for the ten shots, equaling a possible 100 points. Hits off of the ten-inch repair center are counted as misses and minus ten each. Late hits are noted and five points are deducted per late shot. A “scratch eight” in 2.49 seconds is preferable to a “ten” over the limit, which nets only five points.

String 1: Draw and fire 1 shot freestyle

String 2: From freestyle ready, fire 4 shots freestyle

String 3: From strong hand only ready, fire 3 shots strong hand only

String 4: From support hand only ready, fire 2 shots support hand only

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
Number of overtime shots
Total score out of possible 100
Anything you noticed

From the original article:

WHAT’S GOOD?

Like most B-8 centered drills, there are levels of achievement. First, all ten hits within time on the ten-inch paper: respectable, useful, and on the right path.

Next, all within the eight-inch “8” ring with most in the black: solid, and demonstrating all the right stuff. This typically works out to a 90 or above score and is about what I’d look for in a SWAT or instructor-level shooter.

Next is all in the black within time. That is usually a 95 or above and is back-slap worthy on any firing line.

Finally, this drill is 100% max-able. The very best can do it regularly, almost on demand, but it requires that everything is done right. Often the last hit with either of the single-hand strings will frustrate that perfect run.

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[revchuck38]

Copied and pasted from my post in the original thread:

I ran this drill eight times this morning using my CZ-75B and 147-grain factory equivalent handloads. I went over time on three of them; the first one I went over on the second and third strings, and then on the fifth and seventh tries on the second string (by .02 and .04 seconds respectively). Uncorrected scores were from 91-98; corrected scores were 83 (first one) to 95 (second one). Oddly enough, I did best with the last (WHO) string.

Additional info: Concealment gament was a buttoned, untucked square-bottomed shirt; holster was a Comp-Tac IWB worn at about 3:30; all strings were shot beginning with the hammer fully down.

[BN]

I braved the cold to shoot this today. Brrr.

CZ 75 Open Carry.
1 overtime shot
Score 90-5=85.
I shot the first shot of each string DA.


I shot it again with my PX4CC. Fail. Overtime shots and hits off the target.

I need practice.

[Clusterfrack]

P-07 (stock) in JMCK AIWB 2.5 under a fleece.

98 points. The two in the 9 ring were SHO and WHO.

Note: target isn’t quite standard.

[WobblyPossum]

I ran this four times today: twice with a G19-5 and twice with my duty G21-3. It was in the 30s and had snowed yesterday so I had to bundle up which slowed my concealed draw.

G19-5. AIWB using a DSG Orion concealed under a Columbia fleece.
95/100
No overtime shots


97/100
No overtime shots


G21-3 unconcealed in a Safariland ALS holster.
94/100
No overtime shots


88/100
One SHO shot overtime (93 points -5 for the late shot)
The two rounds in the 7 ring are both WHO shots. I rushed this string after having come in over par time on the last SHO shot.


Things I noticed: I shoot the G19 better than the G21 in both speed and consistency. I’m collecting data to eventually present a proposal to the firearms instructors and the command staff to transition my agency to 9mm. It’s nice to have an short, fast drill to compare different guns and end up with actual numbers to measure performance.

Also, my WHO shooting needs work.

Overall, I like this drill and put it in the same area as The Test. It’s simple, fast, a good test of fundamentals, and something that can be tracked to notice improvement. Like Justin said, it’s also a good way to compare performance with different guns. Since it’s only 10 rounds, I’ll likely add it to most range sessions.


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[SkippySanchez]

Tried this drill once before tackling other exercises today and did better than I expected. Left (weak) hand was the worst, with one nicking upper left of the paper (missed seeing it when totaling hits, ergo the "8/10" note), one completely off paper. All times under 2.5, strong hand/weak hand just barely under time.

I'll definitely do this at the beginning of my range sessions for awhile after stepping up my weak-hand dry fire practice. (The holes in the corners are from staples)

VP9.



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I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

[FOG]

Vp9, KSG AIWB holster

First try:
93-5 (2.59 on string 3) = 88

Second try:
90. All strings under par time.

Single hand with time constraints is tough for me. Fun drill.


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[Duelist]

3 March 2018

5 yard round up.
Beretta 92A1, JMCK OWB2, Blazer 115gr aluminum. No concealment. 8" circle drawn on paper - didn't have a B8 with me like I thought I did. Ran the drill anyway, w/o point scoring.
Run 1:
1-1.71.
2-9.16. 2 late. Couldn't remember if I was supposed to keep shooting after the par beep, so had a moment of cognitive dysfunction that I had to get through. Then shot the second pair. All in the circle, though!
3-2.73. 1 late
4-1.51-Both shots on 4 were off paper - somewhere.
3 total low left hits on paper, outside the circle.

Said, I can do better than that!
Run 2:
1-1.72
2-2.16
3-2.16 - 2 low left, just outside circle
4-2.03. Low, just off paper

Everything- left hand, draw, front sight tracking - needs work.

[CCT125US]

HK USP9c v7 LEM
Trijicon 3 dot
Aguila 124
97-7x
From JRC CDAII
Pushed LHO shots to the 8 and 9 ring.

[DG12]

CZ P 01, concealed OWB.
Score 95-5=90 (1 over time shot SHO)



CZ SP 01 Tactical, concealed OWB.
Score 96
Note: Disregard shot marked in silver paint, used an older target already shot.