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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Pepperoni View Post
    Honestly, here in the states, where hardly anyone runs a "stock gun", I think this was inevitable...

    The reality is that a minor 9mm guns that are lightly customized aren't limited guns or open guns and almost every enthusiast has a somewhat tuned blaster...
    I don't, I can't think of many more boring ways to burn an afternoon than tinker with a handgun; just cleaning it is a chore. Doesn't matter though.


    Time to Doodie this up.

    The real issue is the logic/approach HQ used to justify the changes. We had full fledged cheaters and first DNROI issued conflicting edicts enabling their behaviour, then HQ used that as an excuse that the rules were far too complex, and tweaked the rules to be more favorable towards said cheaters.

    The logical approach of penalizing or banning known cheating assholes (like any normal sport would have done) is apparently lost. With issues that actually need to be corrected this isn't a good look for the sport and I doubt the tweaks and under the table "clarifications" we've been suffering through will stop here. A person might get the suspicion that USPSA was more interested in desperate membership retention than it was enforcing the rules as they were plainly written.

    I'm guessing most people have already been following the derp train behind this topic though. Hopefully we can waste less time with this shit now and fix our popper rules, our classifiers HHFs, and PCC's stupid tweaks (same classifiers but no weak hand allowed always makes me roll my eyes).

    If it stays the way it is I think it'll be OK. If HQ decides to make another change in 3 months it might be time to consider shooting something else though. I'm hoping that doesn't happen, we've already been changing things way faster than they can be properly handled.
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    Ignoring the cheater history(and Peallys point makes sense) I don't have any issues with the change. It always irritated me that things like a Vickers mag release were illegal but a longer G34 release was allowed, and that $1800 "factory" race guns from Tangfo/CZ are kosher while a Glock with $100 of drop in parts (trigger, mag release) was a no go.

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    On some level, if you're going to call it "Production," you almost might as well just say "no mods except sights," take the fancy CZ and Tanfo guns off the list, and be done with it. The more mods you allow, the farther from its name the division gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    You know what makes me happiest about this? I will be able to use my Gadget and not have to take it off for the match.
    There was always an allowance for aftermarket "firing pin retainers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshs View Post
    There was always an allowance for aftermarket "firing pin retainers."
    This reminded me of when I first realized this rule existed in Production . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlejerry View Post
    Ignoring the cheater history(and Peallys point makes sense) I don't have any issues with the change. It always irritated me that things like a Vickers mag release were illegal but a longer G34 release was allowed, and that $1800 "factory" race guns from Tangfo/CZ are kosher while a Glock with $100 of drop in parts (trigger, mag release) was a no go.
    This about sums up my view as well. Not a bid deal, IMO.

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    The frame mods allowance is interesting. My Glock knuckle got so obnoxious, it was one of the reason I went in search of a different production platform. Now I have a Shadow 2, I don’t plan to change. I do want to convert one of my 34s to a Carry Optics gunsome day. Just need to figure out who to use to mill the slide.

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    I can fix it. The PPC championships used to have a match in which the guns and ammo were issued on the firing line. Since the match was held at a police academy range, what you got was a well worn Model 10 and .38 RNL. I don't think they do that any more, but they have a Production division with a lot tighter specs than USPSA or IDPA.
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    A level playing field, production is not. A Glock is not a CZ is not a Beretta. I don't think most aftermarket parts will have a noticeable effect to the field anymore than different guns do.

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    The thing I'm most frustrated about is they stuck to the 10 round limit. This isn't single stack/revolver, and we're far past an assault weapons ban. I would much rather they just go to either 15-17 rounds OR a mag length limit (i.e. if the gun/mag fits in the box, fill it up.
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