Our new High School has brick walled curving steps, concrete planter boxes and real bollards protecting the armored main entrance from vehicle attacks.Originally Posted by hufnagel
Our new High School has brick walled curving steps, concrete planter boxes and real bollards protecting the armored main entrance from vehicle attacks.
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ours... don't. but the district admin wing at the middle school got all new central A/C last year. that was much more important than actual security.
Don't mandate armed teachers, janitors, staff, etc. But allow it.
I wouldn't want to be shooting on a square range with many of the teachers I know, much less let them carry in a school full of children, but there are plenty of veterans who move into teaching, as just one example of a cohort who might be able to handle the responsibility.
And in Ohio as well
In New Mexico we have the "Mounted Patrol" which is basically volunteer sworn law enforcement.
It requires initial training and continuing training to maintain the LE certification and their powers and jurisdiction can be limited by the sponsoring agency.
I think it would be a great way to get free LE into the schools.
In fact the Troop that used to be active in my county worked all the High School sports events as Deputy Sheriffs for years until it kind of faded away when some of the full time Deputies bitched about not getting enough overtime opportunities.
Any teacher who wants to carry in school could undergo the NMMP training and be sworn in as a volunteer school resource officer with their LE authority restricted to school property/functions and very limited arrest authority.
Last edited by JodyH; 02-14-2018 at 10:34 PM.
"For a moment he felt good about this. A moment or two later he felt bad about feeling good about it. Then he felt good about feeling bad about feeling good about it and, satisfied, drove on into the night."
-- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy --
First off, prayers to those poor souls dealing with this crazy persons mess.
Without sounding truly snarky, there is probably a 0.01% chance of handling the situation unarmed and a 0.1% chance 1v1 with a handgun, but I’ll take those additional 0.09 points if that’s all I have.
Conversely, how many single crazy shooters would be able to handle multiple armed people engaging them? These guys tend to whack themselves when they meet resistance.
I do agree about teachers carrying guns. Wife is a teacher and seeing her coworkers mentalities and reactions to stress leads me to believe that few would even take the opportunity to do so and of those VERY few would pass any kind of training beyond this is a gun and pointy things come out this end. Some would kicks ass, but the profession these days attracts the liberal hive vs. the retired mil, LEO, athlete...
However, EVERY school I’ve been around has hundreds of volunteers traipsing through them all day. I get half a dozen requests to volunteer at my sons school every month. I’d be more than willing to spring my own $$ for whatever training they want to be allowed to carry while I’m on campus. Heck, I’d even be willing to work out an alternative work schedule and be there 1 day a week. I’m sure there are others who would do the same, so you could have trained people there for free, but the district and its lawyers will never sign off on it.
Imo school staff need to focus on teaching and locking the school down, because that is still probably the best bet against shooters. Assuming the school isn’t made of nail, paper and cardboard. Solid reinforced concrete walls with solid metal fire barrier doors like I had when I was in school.
WRT to this last sad event, I’ll jump to the conclusion that liberalism is a mental disorder that is killing innocent children. A student who is expelled for violent threats should NEVER be allowed back as part of some dumb alternative education program. That’s why we have GED programs and alternative education centers. Just cause you want to pad your drop out numbers isn’t reason to endanger innocent children. If it’s true that this guy was so nutty that he was banned from carrying a back pack on campus why the hell allow him back to begin with?
I hope the parents of all those kids sue the crap out of the school district for allowing this guy back on campus. How is it not gross negligence to allow a known threat back??
To me this is news, and of course l'm certain that you are correct. My school district was large and inner city. Based on my perceptions then, I have difficulty seeing that this type district would permit armed teachers. I could understand its occurrence in a small rural district. I retired in 2002.
Edit...I had intended to include the info about Texas school districts but screwed the post.
Last edited by willie; 02-14-2018 at 10:53 PM.
Maybe introducing the culture of personal responsibility (like ccw in school) can make the profession more attractive to veterans and others of similar mindset and less attractive to hippie dippies?
Last edited by JodyH; 02-14-2018 at 11:03 PM.
"For a moment he felt good about this. A moment or two later he felt bad about feeling good about it. Then he felt good about feeling bad about feeling good about it and, satisfied, drove on into the night."
-- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy --
A good solution for arming staff, IMO:
https://www.seu.edu/blog/southeaster...tinel-program/
"Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer
Tx supposedly has a School Marshall program that would allow 1 staff member per 400 students to be armed. No idea if the ratio is still accurate or if it’s been implemented in any serious manner.
I’d love it if more conservatives would enter the profession. Not going to happen though. Districts and schools are run by liberal idiots who, like Google, stifle any conservative approach. They surround themselves with idiots and make life miserable for others. Quality teachers are leaving the profession too quickly to be replaced with like skilled people. I have a secondary ed degree and would only go into that field as a last resort, hell Id consider the FSA before teaching. The amount of shit my wife has to deal with would land me out if a job before my first paycheck. Like I said liberalism is a mental disorder that kills innocents. In this case liberalism will kill education if it hasn’t already done so.
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