Or they could just end up adding them to the NFA and treating them like silencers, full auto, SBRs, etc.Originally Posted by willie
Or they could just end up adding them to the NFA and treating them like silencers, full auto, SBRs, etc.
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The BIG problem with that, which I know the average person has no clue about, is that would put nearly every detachable magazine fed semi-auto in the US on the NFA list according to the latest "definition". Which is basically anything that isn't a fixed magazine and a semiauto.
Not just the evil military grade ammunition spewing 90 shot banana clip magazine bumpstock automatic AR-15 weapons of mass destruction but also Gramp's Ruger 10-22 or Joe Fudds Benelli Duck shotgun.
No way the NFA could handle all that. But, maybe once people realize that it isn't "just about" the AR-15/AK-47s and really about all guns people with realize what the ultimate plan is.
Would be too late by then...
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
I would like to make a quick point about Republican as a supposed sign of being the wonder party. On the gun issue, the real divide is rural vs. urban city. Republicans from the later are indistinguishable from the standard Democrat on the gun issue. Some rural Dems are OK on guns, until driven out by the litmus test. In the GOP, you have a power structure that is more concerned with high end economic elites (seen by the dudes withdrawing support for gun rights). The economic elites are happy as clams with tax cuts, cutting social benefits and the like. They don't want the peasants to have firearms as they don't buy that the 2nd Amend. is to give power to the average folk to resist tyranny, including economic tyranny. The other half of the GOP might be the rural working folks (or even urban working folks) who don't have gated communities. They can be bait and switched to vote GOP on the social issue hooks (gays, abortion, religion, gun rights) while the elite doesn't really care.
The cause of societal destruction can be laid to feet of the social issue hooks (prayer, gays, etc.) but sorry not to agree - the issue is the destruction of family structure due to an economy that does not support a good family structure with employment opportunities that allow working folks to support their kids without three jobs, parents not home, the uselessness of unemployed males that burden females. The social issue hooks are basically irrelevant but appealing to some. It's decent jobs, jobs, jobs for the average Joe and Jane - if folks had those - it would solve many social ills.
When Wayne LaP. goes off on socialism, or whatever - he is adopting a strategy to maximize income from a population slice that will buy his rhetoric. But he makes a living with a strategic mistake to focus on gun rights and expanding its reach beyond a smaller slice of society. He's the only game in town so he maintains his income stream but it is not wise. My point is that you may have this or that opinion about the social issues mentioned but they are not productive in a gun rights argument.
How many more of these tragedies can this country withstand? With the GOPs and gun owners response being "thoughts and prayers"?
Or it's to soon to be talking about this, I understand that emotion is very high right now.
But I think the NRA and the GOP needs to get in front of this. Or at least not get dragged down and trampled.
We (gun owners) are on the losing side of this debate. Our best chance to get a tolerable bill passed is now.
A year from now the GOP might not have the majority, and I can pretty much guarantee that the next Democratic majority will not craft a bill that any of us will like.
Raise the age for all gun purchases to 21, make it a little bit hard to get them. Or 15 round mag caps is better then an out right ban.
Part of the bill is block grants for hardening schools and hiring real armed security. I'm just throwing out ideas, but I would rather we part of the discussion then just dealing with the fallout.
Hardcases will call anything like that a sellout. A great divide in the firearms owning community exists: those who believe the NRA, those who get sick of the constant begging for more money that makes it feel like you wasted your non-tax exempt donation dues because they spent them begging you for a more substantial donation, those who ride others donations and never will donate to any firearms activist group, those who believe the MSR line that the NRA is a rich conspiracy to keep the GOP in power and dangerous weapons of heinous death in the hands of neckbeards, PTSD suffering veterans, incompetents, and toddlers.
And your compromise proposal is how we got the 94 Crime Bill (which people still hate Bill Ruger over, since he proposed a 15 round may limit and the lawmakers cut it to ten) which only through some courageous and very important deal making included a sunset date - otherwise, instead of talking about repealing or modifying portions of the 68 and 34 gun control acts, we'd be talking about the 94 act as well.
Well, we need to do the math.
How many have we lost in school shootings since Sandy Hook? How many were committed with Evil Black Rifles?
This isn’t meant to sound callous. The acceptable number of school shootings; Hell the number of acceptable shootings, period, is zero.
Short term yeah CNN, MSNBC and the other moral preeners (stole that from Tucker Carlson) will spew over the next month that WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE BLOOD SOAKED EEEEEVIL NRA / GOP / WHITE SUPREMACISTS (select one) AND BAN THESE KILLER WEAPONS OF WAR!!!!
My hope is sanity will prevail and the adults in the room can have a fact-based exchange to come up with a solution.
Not holding my breath though.
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Last edited by blues; 02-19-2018 at 10:53 AM. Reason: same old same old...
There's nothing civil about this war.
What ever we give (compromise) on will never be enough for the left and anti gunners.
What you just proposed would only be considered a "good start".
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