The advantage of a strong grip for a new shooter has less to do with recoil control and more to trigger movement isolation. A strong grip is a crutch for a bad trigger press. I like crutches.
The advantage of a strong grip for a new shooter has less to do with recoil control and more to trigger movement isolation. A strong grip is a crutch for a bad trigger press. I like crutches.
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Rich—I agree about the square Glock grip. Only one way to grip it right. I find the “ergonomic” guns like M&P to have an ambiguous grip.
Also, just personally, push-pull really doesn’t work for me. Like really ducking doesn’t work at all and seems like a terrible way to hold a gun. Just my take, and I know some good shooters use it.
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Thanks. My USMC son (Gunny) and I were discussing marksmanship last time I was up in Jacksonville NC. He shoots pretty well. He suggested it after watching the video of me at the Columbia Cascade Match in Dundee OR. So I’m trying it out in Dry Practice.
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I tend to grip my Glock sorta "firmly". I'll grip a 1911 a little harder because it is a heavier recoiling gun and takes a little more focus for recoil management, and trigger freeze isn't such an issue with a short light breaking trigger, but for my Glocks I can't grip my hardest or I'll be stuck at 0.25 splits while running the gun as fast as possible.
I actually lighten up when shooting fast and just try to track the sights a little harder. If I am seeing a consistent sight video, I can keep splits around .20 and anything much faster is higher hanging fruit than say transition speed.
A shot at 25 or farther makes me tighten up my grip a little.
I'd say try to read your sights. Too hard or too loose a grip for me has always manifested as the sights being more difficult to settle.
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Even though I shoot a 9mm 1911 I grip the gun pretty tight. I find that if I don't, I can't get good enough results to even worry about trigger press and finer aspects of shooting. So for me anyway a tight grip is fundamental to shooting.
Personally I perceive myself shooting better and faster when I grip harder with my support hand and loosen up a bit with my primary hand. But that’s how I “perceive” it. I may very well be imparting roughly the same ratio of pressure as you. In the past I’ve had a tendency to really over grip with my primary hand and get super lax with my support hand, so there’s that...
Your support hand allows you to go fast. Your primary hand controls your trigger and therefore your accuracy. I don’t know about you, but when I relax just a bit I find I’m able to just “do” something easier and better. That goes for anything, not just pressing a trigger.
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I use Cooper’s “grouse” grip with my strong hand and grip hard enough with my weak hand to tear up the skin on my knuckles.
Another way I use to diagnose grip issues is to see where the shooter is hitting.
Right handed shooter shooting left? More trigger finger and more support grip. I've watched groups walk around targets untill we dial in the shooters perfect grip and trigger finger placement.
GM's are chasing fractions of second and are well beyond the point of diminishing returns, just because they do something doesn't mean it's necessary for the little people. There is no good reason to not take advantage of their hard work and experience but keep things in perspective.
How tightly or firmly a gun is gripped needs to be balanced with consistency. Telling a shooter to have a firmer or stronger grip when they do not have the endurance to maintain that level of grip through out a string of fire or shooting session, is counter productive to progress. There are ways to improve and work with a weak but consistent grip.
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