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Thread: Appendix Draw - Flagged Thumb; Beavertail Backstrap

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    Member Sal Picante's Avatar
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    I run a Beretta with a moderate beaver tail. Developing the "non-claw the shit out of my stomach grip" is a priority for me.

    I find that it is a "touch point", more-so than an "anchor point". You're thumb dwells on the "hammer" or wrapped over the beavertail for just a split second before it folds down between the body and gun during the draw.

    See the video here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l=1#post703115

    This is def. good for a solid .25s.

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    Les,
    Run a sleeveless compression under shirt makes the draw surer and keeps the hair right where it should be!! Also its just comfortable to wear.
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    I appreciate the posts. I train using Mike Seeklander's draw style. He clears the cover garment with his shooting hand instead of support hand as he explains in the video below. It also looks like though he doesn't drive his thumb deep to establish his grip, he also doesn't flag it very high either. It looks like it's at about "thumb safety" level.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbD9Iy4xh3U
    Last edited by Larry T; 02-01-2018 at 03:10 PM.

  4. #14
    I would consider Mike's draw as a "drive the thumb" method and not a hybrid, or flagged as some here are describing.

    I used to move two hands simultaneously gripping the shirt with the primary hand and then pinning the shirt with the support hand and then drawing the pistol, but that was less efficient.

    There is merit for maintaining only one draw type, or consistency with movement, but that also does not mean that multiple ways of doing something are necessarily wrong either. Meaning that if I have two hands available, the support hand clears the cover shirt while the primary hand goes to the pistol. If I only have one hand, well then I draw with one hand using the same technique as in the Mike S. video. So I use two very distinctive methods.

    When drawing with two hands, I have a "flagged thumb." Not on the back of the slide, but I do not "drive" my thumb. When drawing with one hand, I "drive" the thumb due to the shirt issue and my shooting grip is different when it comes to one-handed shooting. In other words, when the two hands were available I use what I consider to be a more effective method. Also when it comes to two hands I tend to "snatch" the pistol from the holster. When re-holstering, I have my thumb on the back of the slide.

    I am not saying that what currently works for me, will necessarily translate well to others. I also reserve the right to evolve. This video shows my current method and what I have been doing for awhile. Very obvious thumb and hand position when the video slows down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    if I have two hands available, the support hand clears the cover shirt while the primary hand goes to the pistol. If I only have one hand, well then I draw with one hand using the same technique as in the Mike S. video. So I use two very distinctive methods.
    That sounds like what I do too.
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    Mine is similar to Surf's, but I'm driving my hand down into the beavertail from maybe 30 deg so the web sinks in.
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    Here is an example of my draw stroke from sweats. I spend a bunch of time teaching this in my AIWB and essential handgun skills classes.

    I've change a few things about it. That can make a huge difference that most folks get wrong.
    https://youtu.be/lg624w5PHAI
    Last edited by Prdator; 02-01-2018 at 11:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prdator View Post
    Les,
    Run a sleeveless compression under shirt makes the draw surer and keeps the hair right where it should be!! Also its just comfortable to wear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Pepperoni View Post
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    this is an awesome thread and I kind of do what Mr White does, I noticed I couldn't secure my grip as consistently when trying to jam my thumb between my body and gun, I can also tuck the grip in more with this kind of draw and not be hampered by it.

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