DotW 18: Draws & Reloads

[ToddG]

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Week 18: Draws & Reloads
results may be posted until 11:59pm EST on Monday 6-February-2012.

Range: 7yd
Target: 8" circle
Start position: holstered
Rounds fired: 60

This week we are really going to drill, repeating similar techniques multiple times to build skill.

First, draw and fire 3 rounds at the 8" circle. Record your total time and your draw (first shot). Repeat for a total of 10 runs, 30 rounds.

Second, draw and fire 1 round at the 8" circle, reload, and fire two more rounds at the 8" circle. Record your total time, your draw, and your reload. Repeat for a total of 10 runs, 30 rounds.

(this is just like the first two parts of the 99 Drill, but on a much bigger target so you should be able to push your speed accordingly)

If you cannot draw from the holster, instead begin from a ready position.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

• starting position (ready position, open holster, retention holster, or concealed)
• type of reload you performed (slidelock, in battery, magazine retention)
• total time for ten 3-shot draws, and number of shots missed if any
• total time for ten 1-R-2, and number of shots missed if any
• best and worst time for the draws (all 20, from both strings of fire)
• best and worst reload

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[Ptrlcop]

Safariland 6378
Slidelock Reload
Total time string 1:20.07
Total time string 2: 40.35

Best Draw:1.35 Worst Draw: 1.87
Best Reload 1.82 Worst Reload:2.66

[Mr_White]

Concealed AIWB, stock G34
Slidelock reloads
Total draw, 3 shots time: 13.65, 5 misses
Total 1R2 time: 33.88, 7 misses
Best and worst draw time: .89, 1.10
Best and worst reload time: 1.76, 2.59

Draw, 3 target:
[IMG] DotW18_Draws by OrigamiAK, on Flickr[/IMG]

Draw, 1R2 target:
[IMG] DotW18_Reloads by OrigamiAK, on Flickr[/IMG]

The DotW is always fun (wait, that’s not always true, but when it’s not true it is my fault!), educational, and a little stressful for me since I know the results are going on the internetz.

I definitely felt the stress on this one, at least before I actually started shooting it, and I attribute the first and slowest draw of all of them (the 1.10) to the resulting delay on target in an effort to be sure of the hit.

Wasn’t happy that I threw misses on this one. In the past I’d have rationalized the close misses, which most of them were, but not anymore. Too many misses even if they are half an inch out!

This DotW again served to remind me that the difference between excellent shooting and poor shooting is often no more than a moment of inattention or misplaced attention. I caught myself target focusing intermittently on this drill, and those were the times I missed, with only a few exceptions.

The reloads that got messed up were because of either failing to clear the cover garment on the first attempt, or failing to cleanly insert the new magazine on the first attempt.

I noted that my first shot times were delayed on the reloading portion, I suspect because I personally have more confidence in drawing and shooting three times than I do with draw, 1R2. Overall I did a poor job of getting in visual control of the gun when pressing back out after the reload. Most of the misses came from the post-reload shots.

Overall, what I needed to do consistently, but only did intermittently, is to get in visual control of the gun and be sure of each shot. Somebody slap me! Or at least shame me with your clean targets…

Here’s all the raw data since I wrote it down:

Draw, shoot 3:

1.10, .22, .15 = 1.47 –1, low
.92, .22, .18 = 1.32 clean
.96, .25, .17 = 1.38 clean
.99, .21, .21 = 1.41 clean
.91, .21, .21 = 1.33 –1, high
.97, .25, .19 = 1.41 –1, low
.92, .25, .17 = 1.34 clean
.93, .15, .25 = 1.33 clean
.96, .15, .25 = 1.36 clean
.89, .21, .20 = 1.30 –1, high right

After I got done I saw there was another ½” low miss I had not previously noticed. Not sure which rep it came from.

Draw, 1R2:

1.06, 1.77, .25 = 3.08 clean
.99, 1.81, .25 = 3.05 –2, both a little high, was target focused after reload
1.02, 2.19, .24 = 3.45 clean, mag insertion error
1.02, 2.59, .43 = 4.04 –1, target focused after reload, bad error clearing shirt for reload
1.05, 1.88, .23 = 3.16 clean
1.00, 1.96, .22 = 3.18 clean
1.04, 2.39, .25 = 3.68 clean, empty mag didn’t fall free, then didn’t insert new mag perfectly
.96, 2.19, .24 = 3.39, -2, third shot slightly high, second shot jerked way low in C zone, another error clearing the shirt
1.01, 2.56, .25 = 3.82 clean, not a good day clearing my shirt for the reload!
1.01, 1.76, .26 = 3.03 –2, both slightly low, target focused again

[MDS]

• starting position: G19 (stock w/ Sevigny carrys) in a Milt Sparks SS2 under a closed button-down shirt
• slidelock reloads
• 3-shot draws: 23.18 -7
• 1-R-2: 50.95 -7
• best/worst draw: 1.47/2.15
• best/worst reload: 2.35/3.18

Lots of inconsistency as I experimented with going faster vs. guaranteeing hits. I'm beginning "phase 3" of my training plan, with a strong focus on reloads, so I see a lot of 1-R-2 in my near future.

[167]

Start Position: High compressed ready
Reload Type: Slide lock (reloads from under closed front cover garment)

Total time for 3 shot presentations/draws: 19.61
Fastest: 0.87
Slowest: 1.26

Total time for 1r3: 40.37
Fastest reload: 2.54
Slowest reload: 2.87

[BN]

G-17 open front 511 vest.
Slide lock reloads
Total time draw 3: 22.86 2 misses
Total time 1-R-2: 43.39 0 misses
best draw: 1.64
worst draw: 1.96
best reload: 2.11
worst reload: 2.56

[CCT125US]

HK P30 V3 Heinie Straight Eight Qwik

* starting position (concealed AIWB)
* type of reload you performed (slide lock)
* total time for ten 3-shot draws, and number of shots missed if any (19.58 -4)
* total time for ten 1-R-2, and number of shots missed if any (39.17 -0)
* best and worst time for the draws (1.00 / 1.57)
* best and worst reload (1.86 / 2.42)

Well, I enjoyed this drill because I had several firsts..... I had my fastest draw at 1 second flat, and had some splits in the teens, something that I have been unable to do. I think I may have discovered my problem though.... my finger placement on the trigger required to get an accurate DA first hit with a press out does not lend itself to speed unless I change the position on the follow up shot. Now, don't read that as I think DA is slow... it has more to do with the leverage I personally need to work the trigger. After the reload if my finger landed more towards the tip I was able to work the trigger faster. This is enlightening and frustrating at the same time.

I disliked this drill because my favorite shirt does not lend itself to fast and consistent draws.... seems like a hoodie is fastest for me.

[JFK]

- HK P30 V2, C&D Paridus, Desbien Mag Carrier
- Concealment AIWB, untucked polo
- Slide Lock reload

Total Time for String 1 : 23.15
Best Time for String 1: 1.86 clean
Total Miss for String 1: 1
Best / Worst Draw for String 1: 1.01 / 1.98

Total Time for String 2: 42.82
Best Time for String 2: 3.01 clean
Total Miss for String 2: 4
Best Draw for String 2: 1.12 / 2.01
Best Reload for String 2: 1.51 / 2.98

[rsa-otc]

M&P 45 Apex DCAEK
OWB Holster 4 o'clock
Unbuttoned Shirt

String 1:
Total time: 24.86
Best/Worst: 2.08/2.82
Best/Worst Draw: 1.59/2.26
Total Misses: 3

String 2:
Slide Lock Reload
Total Time: 47.57
Best/Worst Time: 4.49/5.04
Best/Worst Draw: 1.68/2.14
Best Worst Reload: 2.45/2.93
Total Misses: 1

[jstyer]

M&P 9mm w/5 inch threaded barrel. Trijicon sights.

From bladetech wrs thumb break retention holster.



150 rounds for the first drill in the left target. 150 round of the second drill in the right target.

The more observant will notice the 22 cal holes where I was sighting in my buis on my AR.

I'm incredibly embarrased to say that I don't own a shot timer. I have a crappy phone timer that at least I can do par times on... All of my strings for the first drill were under 3 second. And I didn't even really try to time the second drill

On a good note my M&P just passed the 2000 round challenge! All 2000 rounds were with Aguila 124 gr. 9mm.



edited due to accidental submition...