LE UOF Video thread

[TheNewbie]

Why do people run around with idiotic writing or logos on their guns? Also some of the patches officers get look so cheesy and so over the top. Not to mention how unprofessional it looks.

[Sixgun_Symphony]

http://lmgcorporate.com/phxdigital/n...Y%20REPORT.pdf Shaver autopsy report... Photos are also able to be found online as well. Based on an old 2009 duty ammunition bid solicitation from Mesa PD, I'm thinking the rifle ammo used was T223F 55gr Ballistic Tip.

I thought it was just the other day, another OIS was posted here with a rifle involved.. any one have any information on that one?

[Doc_Glock]

http://lmgcorporate.com/phxdigital/n...Y%20REPORT.pdf Shaver autopsy report... Photos are also able to be found online as well. Based on an old 2009 duty ammunition bid solicitation from Mesa PD, I'm thinking the rifle ammo used was T223F 55gr Ballistic Tip.

I thought it was just the other day, another OIS was posted here with a rifle involved.. any one have any information on that one?

That was interesting. Given the range those shots were taken, they weren’t all that accurate except the first one. He ripped off five pretty fast though. From the video the splits were sub .18 to my ear.

I am guessing left chest was first shot then back and back of neck toward the end of the string as he collapsed.

[voodoo_man]

A lot could have been done here instead of shooting, especially with two officers on scene, even though one looked like he was laying down on the job.

Granted I don't know why the officer was on the ground, but that is a bad position to be and chances are that is the reason for escalation.

Remember, a person need not be armed in order to have deadly forced used against them.

[Hambo]

A lot could have been done here instead of shooting, especially with two officers on scene, even though one looked like he was laying down on the job.

Granted I don't know why the officer was on the ground, but that is a bad position to be and chances are that is the reason for escalation.

Remember, a person need not be armed in order to have deadly forced used against them.

Watch the body cam videos in the interview, which is linked from Greg's site: http://www.activeresponsetraining.ne...police-tactics

The first officer's plan was run away-Taser, which failed, then he ended up on the ground waiving his ASP.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I recall reading the opinion that felony car stop procedures only work with compliant suspects. I think we see an illustration of that applied to this hotel contact. The commands were way too complex for someone ...

NOT a fan of the commands and how they were given. Should have been simpler and clearer, one direction at a time. Trying to envision what has been reported and hotel layouts, I'm thinking of other ways to get the guy secured and searched.

The info on the judge keeping the dust cover out of the trial was posted in the general area. There was a stand alone thread on it with the ruling.

As for the Broward County OIS ... while I saw times when I'd have completely agreed with deadly force being used, I have difficulty wih no effort to go hands on or go to an actual impact weapon rather than displaying a tool and demanding/hoping for compliance in the immediate lead up to the shooting. Spaulding's discussion yesterday about hands on skills yesterday was on point.

[AMC]

A lot could have been done here instead of shooting, especially with two officers on scene, even though one looked like he was laying down on the job.

Granted I don't know why the officer was on the ground, but that is a bad position to be and chances are that is the reason for escalation.

Remember, a person need not be armed in order to have deadly forced used against them.

What the actual fuck. I just...I don't.....what the hell was that? Those cops didn't look THAT young, or THAT small...is this an effect of our decades of zero tolerance in schools? These guys have never been punched or grabbed? I hate Monday morning these guys but shit....tackle the fucking guy for God's sake!!!

ETA: maybe this is just my own internal frustration. Just got a bunch of new kids at my assignment. We now have four female officers who are under 5' and under 100#s....and one who is maybe 5'2" and 105#s. Also two male officers who are around 5'2"-5'3". This is not to slam their courage, their intellect, or even their potential ability to DEFEND themselves. But that's a different thing than CONTROLLING and arresting someone significantly bigger than you. Unless you're Yoda....size does actually matter. And clearly training is failing, if cops aren't using what's taught.

[Wondering Beard]

.tackle the fucking guy for God's sake!!!.

Not being a cop, nor having any law enforcement experience, I was wondering about exactly that.

[voodoo_man]

Tackling is a bad idea and should not be employed.

Too many bad things can happen from that level of force.

[voodoo_man]