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    Quote Originally Posted by jnc36rcpd View Post
    I have often observed that a significan, number of videos show an officer who goes it alone when he or she should have help. I'm not familiar with the San Antonio Police Department, but it is a large, urban agency. Why start pulling any of the three hinky people out of a vehicle without back-up there with you? If you're the only trooper, warden, or deputy in two hundred square miles, I understand. If back-up is available, but you're in a hurry, you're wrong and your video on this thread may not end the way any of us want it to end. If your agency is short because you've been defunded or politicians have driven cops away, well, as President Obama said, elections have consequences. Don't make the stop or wait for back-up before starting anything other than the traffic stop introduction.

    The officer in the traffic stop video handled himself exceptionally well. Bravo zulu, sir. That said, dropping one's gun, dropping one's radio, finding out the radio doesn't work, repeated malfunctions with the gun. being wounded...all this stuff could have gone way worse than it did. A second officer on scene would have been way helpful. A second officer might have deterred the attack or ended it early on.

    All that said, the airport shooting shows that sometimes, you need to saddle up and ride out alone.
    One possibility is to get them out to avoid flight by vehicle / pursuit. Unlike our County SO, SAPD has a restrictive pursuit policy. Iím not sure if the officer was aware the vehicle was stolen when he initiated the stop.

    Face tattoos are a requirement to join the PTA in the part of town where this occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    One possibility is to get them out to avoid flight by vehicle / pursuit. Unlike our County SO, SAPD has a restrictive pursuit policy. Iím not sure if the officer was aware the vehicle was stolen when he initiated the stop.

    Face tattoos are a requirement to join the PTA in the part of town where this occurred.
    Very likely. Officers who end up in these videos usually aren't doing anything stupid or reckless and certainly not as evil-minded as the media and politicians suggest they are. They're trying to resolve dangerous situations as well as possible. Trying to avoid the suspect driving off, regardless of your pursuit policy, is certainly a good thing. In many cases, probably even most cases, this might work.

    On the other hand, that shootout could have gone much worse than it did. If the stolen car had driven away, would that have been the worst thing ever? The good guys came out on top in this one (as much as can e done in an OIS), but with injuries to the officer which may have long-term consequences. While I don't mourn the deaths of two suspects or the injury to a third, the officer and agency will have to deal with the hassles of that.

    While I think the officer and the bad guys probably each knew what the other was about, my thought would have been to drone on about the whole traffic violation issue and the need to write a citation or warning until some friends arrived on scene.

    Agree with Erick Gelhaus on responding to why the suspect is asked to get out. Alternative response would be to blame the Supreme Court and suggest the driver spend his time sitting on the curb looking up YouTube videos that will prove you wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnc36rcpd View Post
    Very likely. Officers who end up in these videos usually aren't doing anything stupid or reckless and certainly not as evil-minded as the media and politicians suggest they are. They're trying to resolve dangerous situations as well as possible. Trying to avoid the suspect driving off, regardless of your pursuit policy, is certainly a good thing. In many cases, probably even most cases, this might work.

    On the other hand, that shootout could have gone much worse than it did. If the stolen car had driven away, would that have been the worst thing ever? The good guys came out on top in this one (as much as can e done in an OIS), but with injuries to the officer which may have long-term consequences. While I don't mourn the deaths of two suspects or the injury to a third, the officer and agency will have to deal with the hassles of that.

    While I think the officer and the bad guys probably each knew what the other was about, my thought would have been to drone on about the whole traffic violation issue and the need to write a citation or warning until some friends arrived on scene.

    Agree with Erick Gelhaus on responding to why the suspect is asked to get out. Alternative response would be to blame the Supreme Court and suggest the driver spend his time sitting on the curb looking up YouTube videos that will prove you wrong.
    Well at one point one passenger tells the other to hand him the gun. It was bound to go south.

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