Beretta slides breaking are common?

[Sensei]

Current production 92 series slides are extremely durable; Brigadier slides are ridiculously durable. I have a couple of 92s approaching 60,000 rounds; no issues.

[e_stern]

Lack of PMI will cause issues with any tool.

Proper PMI will lead to 100k+ out of a 92, as has been shown with Battlefield Vegas' box stock police trade in 92FS rental gun. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ions/4-160140/

[WobblyPossum]

That was Berettas story at the time. The GAO determined the actual cause was bad metallurgy. Basically bad batch of slides made with French steel contaminated with Tellurium.

https://www.gao.gov/products/T-NSIAD-88-46

Thanks, I never knew that. I thought Beretta ended up suing the government for blaming the slide failures on bad metallurgy and was awarded a financial settlement. Do you know if that’s true?


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[HCM]

Current production 92 series slides are extremely durable; Brigadier slides are ridiculously durable. I have a couple of 92s approaching 60,000 rounds; no issues.

In 1996, the Army, conducted their Continued Assurance Test (CAT) of the M9 Pistol . In this test, 129 weapons were successfully fired to the 30,000 round mark. Four slides were pushed beyond the 30,000 limit. They averaged 75,250.

The Army fired more than 3 million rounds through the weapons.

When we issued 96D Brigadiers I saw and personally experienced many small parts failures but never saw or heard of a slide failure, even using hot 155 grain .40.

[HCM]

Thanks, I never knew that. I thought Beretta ended up suing the government for blaming the slide failures on bad metallurgy and was awarded a financial settlement. Do you know if that’s true?


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Not to my knowledge.

[TiroFijo]

Is a brigadier slide worth it for the beretta M9 series?

[P30]

French steel

French steel can be of very high quality. Heckler & Koch uses steel from Aubert & Duval, a French producer of special steel.

fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch:

Depuis les années 1970, les canons de la totalité des armes de guerre fabriquées par H&K sont usinés dans des barreaux d'acier provenant de l'entreprise française Aubert et Duval.

Google translation:

Since the 1970s, the [barrels] of the totality of the weapons of war manufactured by H & K are machined in bars of steel coming from the French company Aubert and Duval.

static.hkpro.com/straightgrain/docs/TheHKDecades.pdf, p. 52:
Shows a picture from inside the HK factory captioned with:

Aubert Duval barrel steel blanks

(Writing this as a German, by the way.)

[Sensei]

In 1996, the Army, conducted their Continued Assurance Test (CAT) of the M9 Pistol . In this test, 129 weapons were successfully fired to the 30,000 round mark. Four slides were pushed beyond the 30,000 limit. They averaged 75,250.

The Army fired more than 3 million rounds through the weapons.

Your knowledge base in these matters is astounding - thank you. I’ve had these two pistols since I turned 21 back in the early 90s. I used them largely to train up for deployments between 1995-2012 since I generally used Glocks outside of the military. They rarely get shot now. Ironically, I even bought 2 Vertec slides last month when they went on sale. My plan was to convert them to G controls with AmeriGlo sights and let my son have them in a few years. Once again, thank you for the knowledge bomb.

[JTQ]

I'll admit, the first thing I did after reading the OP, was to check the date of the post. This seems like a question from 20 years ago. Of course, the M9/92 did seem to go through a period of lack of popularity when Glock's and other polymer guns took over the scene, and maybe the guys on the other forum just haven't paid attention to Beretta's in a long time.

Here's a Ben Stoeger video from when he was shooting Beretta's "A Few Hundred Thousand Rounds Later"



Ernest Langdon "92FS/M9 Series Design Features"

Is a brigadier slide worth it for the beretta M9 series?

My understanding is the Brigadier was designed for the .40 S&W guns, but just tagged along for the 9mm versions. It stuck around because some like the heavier slide, but is not really needed for 9mm.

[Clobbersaurus]

I shoot a Turkish 92 clone that is an older 92 style without the enlarged hammer pin.

So far I haven’t lost any teeth from the slide spontaneously exploding.