This is a request for information /sources sought posted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection for a possible future procurement of a family of 9mm handguns.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0
This is a request for information /sources sought posted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection for a possible future procurement of a family of 9mm handguns.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0
Last edited by 5pins; 12-13-2017 at 11:07 AM.
We could isolate Russia totally from the world and maybe they could apply for membership after 2000 years.
Damn. I just read through that. Pretty thorough. Interesting they want availability of flat triggers and what not. Hopefully testing goes as planned, seems pretty straightforward. I think it also said mag release could be lever or button. Also said they need to have a uniform magwell or oem installable magwell. Trijicon hd equivalent sights.
Seems like Glock would have to build a M series line of pistols with mos capability and forward serrations.
Sig is probably mostly gtg already.
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“Pistols shall be light-weight, striker fired, semi-automatic, and be chambered in 9mm Luger (9x19mm).”
“Shall not have a thumb, finger or grip-actuated de-cocking device.”
“Action Type: Pistols shall be semi-automatic, recoil operated, magazine fed, striker-fired design. Hammers, either external or internal, are not permissible. Shall not have any external movement associated with the trigger pull. “
“The family of firearms shall include three variations of sizes, with an emphasis on modularity.”
This one interesting.
“Shall have internal safety device which prevents the pistol from firing when out of battery. Upon returning into battery the pistol shall be capable of firing with only the manipulation of the trigger, even if the trigger was depressed while the pistol was out of battery.”
My Steyr would fail that for sure.
“Entire front edge of magwell shall be equal in height from left to right corners.”
Attention Glock.
Rules out a lot of guns. Don’t see HK or Beretta getting this one.
Better link to description
https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=2a...c833786f212472
Last edited by Doc_Glock; 12-13-2017 at 11:48 AM.
Some interesting requirements here:
4.3 PISTOL #2
This pistol shall be designated as a “mid-size”, and shall include a mid-size frame and mid-size slide combination.
4.3.1 Height: shall be between 4.75” and 5.60”
4.3.2 Width: shall not exceed 1.50 inches.
4.3.3 Length: shall not exceed 7.50”
4.3.4 Weight: shall not exceed 30 ounces
4.3.5 Barrel Length: shall be between 3.50” and 4.50”
4.3.6 Modularity: Frame must also be compatible with slide/barrel combination from pistol #1 without adversely affecting functionality and operations of the firearm. Shall accept full size magazines (Pistol #1) without adversely affecting functionality and operation of the firearm.
4.4 PISTOL #3
This pistol shall be designated as a “compact”, and shall include a compact frame and compact slide combination.
4.4.1 Height: shall be between 4.00” and 4.90”
4.4.2 Width: shall not exceed 1.50 inches.
4.4.3 Length: shall not exceed 7.00”
4.4.4 Weight: shall not exceed 28 ounces
4.4.5 Barrel Length: shall be between 3.00” and 3.80”
4.4.6 Modularity: Compatibility with slide/barrel combination from pistol #2 without adversely affecting functionality and operations of the firearm is preferred but not required. Shall accept full size and mid-size magazines (Pistol #1 and Pistol #2) without adversely affecting functionality and operation of the firearm.
I'm not sure if Glocks can function like that. You can't just put a G17 slide on a G19 frame and call it good right? Same for the G19 and G26?
Sounds like they want to buy Sigs but have to go through the motions of the procurement process. So they just describe something in such a detailed manner that the only product that meets all the specifications is the one they already intend to buy.
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Not another dime.
Yup. The only pistol I can think of that meets the modularity requirements is the Sig P320 family. Sadly.Originally Posted by OlongJohnson
At least the drop testing requirements are robust.
They said the FBI solicitation was written to "guarantee" the FBI got the SIG P320. How did that work out?
SIG may have the only publically available product you are aware of which meets these requirements, but that does not mean SIG is the only one with a product meeting these requirements.
Regardless, CBP is the largest U.S. federal LE Agency and the largest LE Agency in North America, nearly 3x the size of the FBI or ICE in terms of LEO's. That type of buying power means vendors will build exactly what you want - so why not just ask for exactly what you want ?
Berretta APX ?
Traditional Glocks don't work like that but it is certainly possible to build a Glock that does. You normally cant put a G19 slide on a G17 frame but they produced the Glock MHS candidate with exactly that configuration.
Good point. There's more than enough money at stake to get the usual competitors to build to the specs outlined. SIG and Beretta already have guns that seem to meet the requirements (assuming the as-yet commercially unreleased sizes of the APX are functional). I would like to see Glock's, HK's, Smith & Wesson's, and FN's submissions when all is said and done.
A Gen5 gun with an MOS slide, front cocking serrations, the ability to mix and match slides and frames from differently sized guns and no mag well cutout would be a lot of people's ideal Glock.
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