Let's Talk Shotgun Training

[Lon]

My preference is 25 yards with slugs, which puts you a few inches high at 50, and back on at 75 yards, and a few inches low at 100.

This is what i do as well.

[That Guy]

I assume you zero with slugs and just figure out where the buckshot will for afterwords.

I do try to find a combination of buckshot and slugs that have the same point of impact.

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[GyroF-16]

I do try to find a combination of buckshot and slugs that have the same point of impact.

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I’d like that too...
When I zeroed my 1301T for Fed low-recoil Truball at 25 yds, here’s what I got with buckshot:
Fed reduced recoil 00 buck: group centered about 4” low and a little right
Fed reduced recoil 1 buck: group centered about 3” right and a little low

So that tells me that 25 yds would be a good transition point for buck to slugs.

Thoughts and suggestions?

[GJM]

I’d like that too...
When I zeroed my 1301T for Fed low-recoil Truball at 25 yds, here’s what I got with buckshot:
Fed reduced recoil 00 buck: group centered about 4” low and a little right
Fed reduced recoil 1 buck: group centered about 3” right and a little low

So that tells me that 25 yds would be a good transition point for buck to slugs.

Thoughts and suggestions?

Doesn’t that depend upon the situation — shoot vs no-shoot targets, people vs creature, 25 coming in vs 25 going away, sighting system, inside or outside?

[GyroF-16]

Doesn’t that depend upon the situation — shoot vs no-shoot targets, people vs creature, 25 coming in vs 25 going away, sighting system, inside or outside?

Yes- absolutely.
Maybe a better description would be that I can’t see ANY instances where I would CHOOSE buck outside of 25 yds with my setup, as I would no longer be confident in hitting what I was aiming at.
I absolutely agree that there are several situations where a slug would be preferable inside of 25 yds.

BTW, my sighting system is a RDS (RMO), and I don’t operate in an environment where I would be shooting beyond 25 yds indoors. (Hell, 10 yds would be a stretch indoors).

[Doc_Glock]

I don't listen/watch much P&S these days, but this was a good recent episode strictly about shotguns. It's over 3 hours and took me a few nights to get through it, but lots of good insight and opinions from Rob Haught and others.

A lot of high praise for the 1301 and Adam's products for it.

Thanks for posting that. I had stopped listening to P&S, but that was outstanding and very worthwhile. Also nice to see two members here participating.

[OnionsAndDragons]

Thanks for posting that. I had stopped listening to P&S, but that was outstanding and very worthwhile. Also nice to see two members here participating.

I was in the same boat w you there, but this one grabbed me back. I've listened to a couple of the other more recent ones and noted what I consider an improvement. The repackaging of the ballistics episode was nice, too.


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[GJM]

A few clicks above the square range.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Doesn’t that depend upon the situation — shoot vs no-shoot targets, people vs creature, 25 coming in vs 25 going away, sighting system, inside or outside?

Think back to the original shotgun zones ... 0-5yds A zone & because of essentially a single projectile aim it like a rifle, 5-20yds +/- B zone & this is where one sees the benefit og 00Buck, 20yds+ C Zone & because of pattern spread you'll likely need to transition to a slug.

A lot of that was predicated *I think* on the square range and full frontal targets. The advent of Federal's H132 & then LE132 reduced recoil 00Buck extended the B zone distance (my original Vang gun has a really decent pattern pretty far out). But turning, moving, angled targets could reduce & counter the extention ... depending on the backstop. Then, all of the other factors you hit on come into play. I can just as easily see a must have a slug shot at 6 yds as I can see a 00Buck shot at 30 yds - all depending on the background and the threat problem.

If one is going to work this stuff, learning ones pattern Is pretty important (not just one round at a given distance) followed by time actually practicing on distances and the angles.

[GJM]

Think back to the original shotgun zones ... 0-5yds A zone & because of essentially a single projectile aim it like a rifle, 5-20yds +/- B zone & this is where one sees the benefit og 00Buck, 20yds+ C Zone & because of pattern spread you'll likely need to transition to a slug.

A lot of that was predicated *I think* on the square range and full frontal targets. The advent of Federal's H132 & then LE132 reduced recoil 00Buck extended the B zone distance (my original Vang gun has a really decent pattern pretty far out). But turning, moving, angled targets could reduce & counter the extention ... depending on the backstop. Then, all of the other factors you hit on come into play. I can just as easily see a must have a slug shot at 6 yds as I can see a 00Buck shot at 30 yds - all depending on the background and the threat problem.

If one is going to work this stuff, learning ones pattern Is pretty important (not just one round at a given distance) followed by time actually practicing on distances and the angles.

This is why it seems a lot easier to stay loaded with slugs, and select shot if necessary, rather than loading with shot and selecting a slug.