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    Woman killed in rare attack by black bear in remote Alberta forest
    Victim, 26, was mauled while planting trees after logging operation in north-west region of the province
    It's been killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson View Post
    Dean Weingarten has been researching use of pistols to defend against bear attacks. His findings are interesting. Link below...

    https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/upd...-97-effective/
    Really enjoying that, thanks!

    I totally recognize this one:


    17 August, 2002, Alaska, Russian River, Grizzly Charged Fishermen, 9mm

    But then the bear turned, looked up at Brenner and lunged, said Lewis, who interviewed the three men Saturday.

    Brenner fired twice at the center of the hulking shape closing to four or five feet away. The sow, estimated at 400 to 450 pounds, went down. Brenner then put three more bullets into her head.

    He used a 9 mm semiautomatic pistol. Lewis said such a low-caliber gun ordinarily doesn’t pack enough punch to kill a bear. But Brenner loaded the pistol with full-metal-jacket bullets that penetrated to the bear’s vital organs, he said.
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    That's the one where the guy with the shotgun threw it and dove out into the water to escape. One of the original articles about it said one of the first volley of shots from his 9mm with FMJ broke the bear's shoulder causing it to fall whereby he transitioned to its head.
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    Copied from Montana standard newspaper :

    “Report on fatal grizzly mauling of West Yellowstone man released, some questions unanswered

    A grizzly bear in Yellowstone National Park guards a carcass at Blacktail Ponds in 2016. Bears can aggressively defend their food, especially in springtime when they are hungry after a long winter of hibernation.

    Details regarding the rescue and investigation into the grizzly bear mauling of a 40-year-old West Yellowstone man in April have been published in a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service fatality report, yet some questions remain unanswered.

    Charles “Carl” W. Mock IV died on April 17 in an Idaho hospital following surgery for severe injuries inflicted two days earlier by a 411-pound male grizzly bear. The bear attacked after Mock walked too close to a moose carcass the grizzly was feeding on.


    The bear may have been more aggressive than usual due to a recent fight with another bear, investigators theorized. This is based on the contents of the bear’s stomach, which included tissue from another grizzly.

    “That totally surprised me,” said Kevin Frey, bear management specialist with Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks, who helped investigate the incident. He added that investigators couldn’t confirm the theory but it helped explain why it was “super defensive.”

    Mock suffered severe injuries to his head and neck in the attack. Although he was carrying bear spray that he was able to discharge, evidence of which was found on the bear’s hide and Mock’s clothing, it’s unclear if he was able to deploy the spray before the attack or as he was being mauled.


    Mock was the first of two grizzly mauling victims in Montana this year. The second was 65-year-old Leah Davis Lokan, of Chico, California, who was dragged from her tent on July 6 by a 417-pound, 4-year-old grizzly near the community of Ovando. Lokan was camping out during a bicycle trip through the area. The bear was shot three days later by wildlife managers as it approached nearby chicken coops.

    “I think it’s a sign of bear density, bear distribution and the human level of activity has greatly increased,” Frey said.


    The grizzly that attacked Mock was also shot by law enforcement officers as they investigated his attack the following day. The grizzly acted aggressively — charging to within 24 yards of two Forest Service law enforcement officers, three Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks wardens, two FWP bear specialists and a dog — despite their repeated attempts to scare the bear off by firing seven cracker shell rounds as they approached the site.

    “Most bears that own something, so to speak, will back off” with so much human activity that the previous day had included sirens, a helicopter flying over and lots of vehicles, Frey said. “He stayed around. The bear had options to go a lot of places.”

    The charging grizzly had to plow through loose snow in a marshy area, slowing its advance and giving the team time to realize the bear was not going to halt, known as a bluff charge.

    “In the event the bear cleared the deep snow and regained traction, there would be no time for the team to react before contact was made with a human, resulting in serious injury or death,” wrote Robert Pohle, an FWP game warden involved in the investigation. “In the split second it took to process what was taking place, I made the decision I was going to engage the bear and shoot it before it was able to gain traction again. I called out loud that I was taking a shot, before firing my shotgun.”


    Multiple shots were fired, including large 540-grain bullets from a .45-70 rifle, which stopped the bear’s charge. Until the investigators confirmed the bear was a lone male, however, they remained on high alert in case it was a female with cubs. During the charge, the bear had run over the moose carcass it had cached in a swampy area, although it was difficult to see as the moose was almost completely buried.

    After news of Mock’s mauling circulated in the small community of West Yellowstone, and even as rescuers were responding, wildlife photographers were apparently in the area near Baker’s Hole Campground.

    “Between the attack and when investigators returned to the scene the following day, law enforcement made multiple contacts of people trying to access the closure area,” Pohle wrote.

    These included one individual Pohle and a Forest Service officer encountered. The person told them, “they had heard of a bear attack and were out looking to take pictures of the bear.

    “News of bear activity was drawing them in,” Pohle wrote.

    “In a general sense, those (photographers) push it beyond limits I can’t believe sometimes,” Frey said.

    “It’s bizarre they think it’s OK to take a picture of a bear that just mauled somebody.”

    The question that remains unanswered is whether Mock knew of a bear in the area and was seeking it out to photograph when he was mauled.

    “It cannot be determined if Mr. Mock purposely or randomly went to the site of the attack,” the report noted.

    Mock was carrying a digital camera with a telephoto lens, as well as fishing gear. He did possess a Montana fishing license, but fishing in Yellowstone National Park had not yet opened. Mock had parked his vehicle at the Baker’s Hole Campground, but the attack occurred to the south, away from the nearby Madison River to the north. In the direction Mock was traveling, the closest the Madison River would have been is inside the park boundary about 450 yards away.

    “Field investigation and examination of Mr. Mock’s fishing gear did not indicate he was or had been actively fishing when the attack occurred,” the report said.

    Mock’s 911 call was recorded, lasting for more than 49 minutes. Twenty-seven minutes into the call the dispatcher asked Mock if he was going fishing when he was attacked. He responded, “No, I was taking pictures.”

    The digital card in Mock’s camera contained no images of the bear, however, the camera was not secured at the scene of the attack. Instead, it was placed in Mock’s vehicle which was taken by friends from the campground.

    “Whether any pictures were removed before my observation is unknown, as control was lost over the camera,” Pohle wrote.

    Mock did not talk to his rescuers and was not interviewed by investigators following hospitalization due to his severe injuries.

    “There are a lot of inferences you can make, but we can’t substantiate any conclusions,” Frey said.

    The bear that attacked Mock was a known 20-year-old male that had been captured in September 2003 near Cascade Creek, which is northwest of Canyon Village in Yellowstone National Park. He was caught as part of the park’s annual grizzly study. After being captured, the bear was tattooed and collared. The bear’s last known location was the following February when it was denned north of Norris Geyser Basin.

    The bear had no history of run-ins with humans.

    Considering its age, and the fact that it had only recently come out of hibernation, the 411-pound bear was fairly healthy, with a few worn and broken teeth. The necropsy included a rabies test, which was negative.

    Following the attack, the moose carcass was blown to bits by explosives to avoid attracting other predators. The campground and area near the attack were closed by Custer Gallatin National Forest officials until the moose remains had time to deteriorate or be consumed by other wildlife.

    “The tragic event of Mr. Mock being attacked by an adult male grizzly bear and subsequently dying from the attack, was the direct result of Mr. Mock’s own purposeful or random placed proximity to a moose carcass that an adult male bear had cached and was actively feeding on,” the investigation concluded. “A short time before the adult male bear attacked Mr. Mock it may have defended or claimed the moose carcass from another grizzly bear. If so, this would have contributed to the bear’s extended aggressive defense of the moose carcass.”

    Prior to this year’s two grizzly maulings, Montana had not seen a fatal grizzly attack since 2010 when a female grizzly and its three yearlings injured two campers at Soda Butte Campground near Cooke City before killing Kevin Kammer. Kammer’s body was partially consumed. The adult bear was captured and killed while the three yearlings were placed in zoos.

    “2010 was the start of a new era,” Frey said, which has seen six fatal grizzly maulings in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, three of which were inside Yellowstone National Park. Since 1892, grizzlies have killed 18 people in the GYE. In comparison, 24 GYE grizzly deaths have been recorded.

    Considering that millions of people now visit Yellowstone, the park’s website said the chances of being attacked by a grizzly are one in 2.7 million.”


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    My wife and I were hiking down a trail in MT this afternoon, and came upon two women with dogs on a leash and bear spray in hand. My wife asked what was up and they asked if we saw "the note?" We said no, learned a bear was spotted on the trail, but told them we didn't see it. Found the note near the parking lot.

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    This popped up in my “Apple picture of the day” photo stream. Seconds after a grizzly bear was chasing Astro and came to within 15 yards before seeing us and deciding to beat feet. Says it was July 2017.

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    This popped up to read today. No way this bear catches or even thinks about Astro or anything else on four legs for that matter. (Don't know that that would be true, but this bear sure is fat.)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tri...ewsntp&pc=U531
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    I have a non resident Montana elk tag and received this email today.

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    On a hike in Glacier National Park yesterday, I rounded a bend on a narrow trail and came nose to nose with a sizeable grizzly, walking toward us on the path. At this abrupt and firm reminder of Man’s humble ranking in the food chain, we scrambled back up the trail to a point where the slope on the uphill side was (barely) gradual enough to climb. From our precarious perch, we saw the bear lumber into view, still walking on the path. At our calls of “go away, bear”, it took a small detour through the brush on the downhill side, then came right back onto the trail. It remained blissfully ignorant of the 180 grain JHP pointed at its head. We bellowed “bear!” a few times to warn any other hikers, and that was that. Later in the day, we saw three more grizzlies, including one that shrugged off a less lethal shotgun blast from a park ranger as the (huge) bear approached a group of people.

    Gun handling note: I didn’t draw my pistol until I had climbed up the rocks to a relatively stable position and had stopped to face the trail. The immediate task at hand was rapid movement and climbing, not shooting, so the holster was the best place for the gun to avoid a) falling and losing the pistol, b) having an ND, and c) not having adequate control over muzzle direction. I also apply this general principle to foot pursuits (when I’m the one pursuing, haha).

    Also of note, since I like to know what I see and process when I’m pointing a gun under some stress, I was keenly aware of my sights, and if the bear had forced a confrontation, it would have faced sighted fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Français View Post
    On a hike in Glacier National Park yesterday, I rounded a bend on a narrow trail and came nose to nose with a sizeable grizzly, walking toward us on the path. At this abrupt and firm reminder of Man’s humble ranking in the food chain, we scrambled back up the trail to a point where the slope on the uphill side was (barely) gradual enough to climb. From our precarious perch, we saw the bear lumber into view, still walking on the path. At our calls of “go away, bear”, it took a small detour through the brush on the downhill side, then came right back onto the trail. It remained blissfully ignorant of the 180 grain JHP pointed at its head. We bellowed “bear!” a few times to warn any other hikers, and that was that. Later in the day, we saw three more grizzlies, including one that shrugged off a less lethal shotgun blast from a park ranger as the (huge) bear approached a group of people.

    Gun handling note: I didn’t draw my pistol until I had climbed up the rocks to a relatively stable position and had stopped to face the trail. The immediate task at hand was rapid movement and climbing, not shooting, so the holster was the best place for the gun to avoid a) falling and losing the pistol, b) having an ND, and c) not having adequate control over muzzle direction. I also apply this general principle to foot pursuits (when I’m the one pursuing, haha).

    Also of note, since I like to know what I see and process when I’m pointing a gun under some stress, I was keenly aware of my sights, and if the bear had forced a confrontation, it would have faced sighted fire.
    Yikes. What trail where you on?

    2 years ago I hiked to the Hidden Lake lookout with my 3 year old. I saw a grizzly close to Hidden Lake which might have been 400 to 500 yards away from the lookout. I walked about 5 yards to get a better look and that bear was 200 yards closer. That scared the shit out of me. It was standing up and looking up in our direction. There were lots of goats and some young ones right where we were standing. I picked my kid up and started putting people between us and the bear. That bear closed to our position in less than a minute. It was chasing a goat I’m sure but it it really shook me having my kid there as the bear was hunting. It continued to stand up clack it’s jaw and look around for the goats and didn’t seem to care that there were multiple people yelling at it. Then it sprinted across the trail and up some very steep rocky terrain with ease.

    We did the trail again last month; goats but no bear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Risto View Post
    Yikes. What trail where you on?
    That was on the Highline Trail, about 4 miles from Logan Pass. Since I wrote that, we had one more close encounter with a different grizzly on a hike, and a total of 7 grizzly sightings and 1 black bear sighting in 2.5 days. Glacier is crawling with those things (and it’s awesome)!

    Your situation sounds frightening. They are fast, and I harbored no illusions about reaching safety by clambering up some rocks; that was just to unass the trail so we wouldn’t be in the bear’s way. If it had come after us, I’m sure it could have climbed much faster than we did. It would also have learned about technology the very hard way.

    Hidden Lake Trail was closed due to bear activity while we were there.

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