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    From Gunsite's Bookface page - apparently they are hosting a "Predator Defense" event for gun writers.

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    My wife and I have taken that class twice. Highly recommended.
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    Grizzly Bear Defense

    @GJM how far (approximately) is that bear in the target you posted? (The one with the very unhappy looking bear.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 41magfan View Post
    Has anyone on this Forum ever killed a bear (of any color) - with a handgun - in a defense of life circumstance?
    I have not. I did have an interesting experience with a lion this fall. Three of us were archery hunting elk in the south west Wind River Range. I was cow calling with one hunting partner at my side and a second about 30 yards away. We talked with a bull elk for about 20 minutes. All the sudden the third member of our party yelled "Ed!". I was annoyed as you just don't yell when you're calling elk. Then I heard "There's a cat! A big cat!". The two of us calling turned about 45 degrees and saw a lion behind a short rock. We all stared at each other for about 15 seconds - long enough for the lion to determine that I was not an elk. He then vanished. We later lased the distance at 19 yards. The lion had come in absolutely silently and left just as quietly. The third member of our party had watched him come in and determined that 19 yards was close enough. It was a very cool experience that ended well. I am now much more apt to "watch my six" when calling elk. Learning has occurred. Best, ELN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyoming Shooter View Post
    I have not. I did have an interesting experience with a lion this fall. Three of us were archery hunting elk in the south west Wind River Range. I was cow calling with one hunting partner at my side and a second about 30 yards away. We talked with a bull elk for about 20 minutes. All the sudden the third member of our party yelled "Ed!". I was annoyed as you just don't yell when you're calling elk. Then I heard "There's a cat! A big cat!". The two of us calling turned about 45 degrees and saw a lion behind a short rock. We all stared at each other for about 15 seconds - long enough for the lion to determine that I was not an elk. He then vanished. We later lased the distance at 19 yards. The lion had come in absolutely silently and left just as quietly. The third member of our party had watched him come in and determined that 19 yards was close enough. It was a very cool experience that ended well. I am now much more apt to "watch my six" when calling elk. Learning has occurred. Best, ELN.
    I've heard similar stories many times with bears also coming to the call just as readily. As was the case in your experience, I'd certainly be much more comfortable if there were multiple sets of eyes present when calling in lion & bear country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyoming Shooter View Post
    What tools do you employ for grizzly bear defense? Bear spray? Firearms? Both? How do you carry those tools? If you carry a rifle, shotgun, or pistol, what ammunition do you use? How do you train for grizzly bear defense? Do you hunt in teams of two or more? Do you wear a bell while hiking or biking in grizzly country? Have you had a close encounter with a grizzly in the wild? What happened? What lessons were learned? With thanks from the Big Empty, ELN.
    GJM has already chimed in here, and he is the man to answer your questions. If I could add anything, it would be to at least look at the Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70. It is my understanding that this lever gun is being used by Alaskan guides on bear hunts as a backup gun. If the professionals are using it, it might be a good indication of what works as "bear defense." Chuck Hawks has written an article on "Firearms for Defense against Bears." http://www.chuckhawks.com/firearms_defense_bears.htm This article is on topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Dogs can help alert you or bring you the trouble.
    Those familiar with the Alaska Journal are familiar with Astro. At first blush, Astro looks like a Vizsla. However, GJM has started a new breed called the Grizzly Tolling Retriever. If you are a duck hunter, you may have heard of the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever. The name "toller" is derived from their ability to "lure" waterfowl within gunshot range. The concept is similar with the Grizzly Tolling Retriever. To a grizzly, the Grizzly Tolling Retriever looks good to eat. The bear gives chase, and the Grizzly Tolling Retriever runs back to the protection of his master as quickly as possible with the bear in tow. I could not find the picture of Astro being chased by a grizzly in the Alaska Journal or I would have linked it here to show Astro "bringing GJM the trouble."

    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Keep in mind, while bears are a potential threat the number one threat in remote areas is ALWAYS two legged.
    I haven't experienced that as of yet, and it is disturbing to hear. This might be the subject of a different thread, but I might not be reading the right publications to learn of such things.
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    The Gunsite “School” solution for bears is a DA Smith revolver in .44 Magnum or .45 Colt, combined with either a .45-70 Guide Gun or shotgun with Brenneke slugs. The service pistol with penetrating ammo is a concession to the notion that bears are not the only trouble in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    The Gunsite “School” solution for bears is a DA Smith revolver in .44 Magnum or .45 Colt, combined with either a .45-70 Guide Gun or shotgun with Brenneke slugs. The service pistol with penetrating ammo is a concession to the notion that bears are not the only trouble in the field.
    I think that would be adjusted to a fighting service pistol if they could log 50-100 bear fights. But I'm just theorizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post



    I haven't experienced that as of yet, and it is disturbing to hear. This might be the subject of a different thread, but I might not be reading the right publications to learn of such things.
    The Harold Fish case in AZ is a prime example.

    https://www.law.umich.edu/special/ex...px?caseid=4266

    How about the hunter who trespassed onto private land and killed six hunters from another group and wounded two more in a dispute over a tree stand ?

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...untershooting/

    Neighbor kills Six campers on private land in TX:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ted-years.html

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-peopl...150200026.html

    Another example: Rape Culture in the Alaskan Wilderness

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...erness/379976/

    Crime on the Appalachian Trail

    https://mpora.com/outsiders/the-grue...n-hiking-trail

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/30...aises-ire.html

    Not a new Phenomenon: https://www.bendsource.com/bend/two-...nt?oid=2186106

    Crime in national parks: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123679
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    The Harold Fish case in AZ is a prime example.

    https://www.law.umich.edu/special/ex...px?caseid=4266

    How about the hunter who trespassed onto private land and killed six hunters from another group and wounded two more in a dispute over a tree stand ?

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...untershooting/

    Neighbor kills Six campers on private land in TX:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ted-years.html

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/six-peopl...150200026.html

    Another example: Rape Culture in the Alaskan Wilderness

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...erness/379976/

    Crime on the Appalachian Trail

    https://mpora.com/outsiders/the-grue...n-hiking-trail

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/30...aises-ire.html

    Not a new Phenomenon: https://www.bendsource.com/bend/two-...nt?oid=2186106

    Crime in national parks: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123679
    Dayim. GA had a serial killer that prowled the hiking areas a few years ago too.

    Attacks on armed hunters . . . I like solitary hunting in the national forest out west/northwest of Dahlonega. So much space I like to think I have my "hidey holes" only I know about.

    Still hunting through one of my favorite spots last Saturday I came eye to lens with a very nice looking trail cam. DAMMIT!

    It did creep me out a bit as there was a long steady soaking rain falling and so it was basically near impossible to hear game or person footfalls in the woods. I don't like to hunt around other folks and try to stay on the paranoid side when out n'about.
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