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  1. #811
    Deadeye Dick Clusterfrack's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    I don't. However, a flat meplat hard cast at 1,000 FPS or more, in .44/.45 caliber has been killing large animals for years. The Gunsite backcountry class "school solution" was a .44 magnum or .45 LC double action revolver with heavy flat meplat hard cast bullets.

    I have gone to the semi auto for field use because of shooting and carry ergonomics, although the heavy revolver no doubt kills better per shot fired.
    More like the heavy revolver kills better per accurate hit? Accuracy under speed and pressure was a big reason I felt better carrying my G20 with a dot instead of a .44 revolver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    I don't. However, a flat meplat hard cast at 1,000 FPS or more, in .44/.45 caliber has been killing large animals for years. The Gunsite backcountry class "school solution" was a .44 magnum or .45 LC double action revolver with heavy flat meplat hard cast bullets.

    I have gone to the semi auto for field use because of shooting and carry ergonomics, although the heavy revolver no doubt kills better per shot fired.
    I've been loading 265 Keith, 285, and 300s for the mountain gun for years.
    Stellar accuracy with the Beartooth bullets.
    I spoke with Smith and Wesson years ago about loadings for the mountain gun, who told me that a max of 1000 fps would not shake things loose on the long colt N frame.
    Matched with the Winchester 94 trapper in the same caliber, it's a good combination. Good for the conditions here in the northeast.
    Barely mediocre with every platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post
    More like the heavy revolver kills better per accurate hit?
    Yep, that is what I meant!
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

  4. #814
    Quote Originally Posted by CSW View Post
    @GJM:

    I'm sure that there are better options than the old Colt, but are there those who use it that you know of, and what are their experiences?

    Chris
    There have been multiple people mauled while trying to get a big revolver out.

    The people I see that still have them tend to fall in two camps.

    People that have a big revolver because that's a bear pistol and anything else is a joke.

    People that really love big revolvers, love shooting them, practice constantly and probably would anyways if they lived in Newark.

    I think the second group will be just fine

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    Grizzly Bear Defense

    Mrs. CF and I are headed to Glacier National Park in a couple weeks. Iíve been weighing (literally) two choices for my carry gun. This will be a one-gun trip, so it will be a CCW and backcountry defense gun. We will be doing a lot of hiking in the high county, so weight is a concern. As well, we will be staying on the east side, in an area with a bit of a sketchy reputation, so Iíll need a good defense gun.

    Will it be: CZ P-07 509t2 with Underwood Lehigh XP 115gr +p+ (1300fps) for grizzly and 147 HST for CCW?

    Or Glock 20.4 Acro with 200gr hardcast (1200fps) for bear and 200 HST (1080 fps) for defense?

    Interestingly the loaded weights are not that different. The G20 is 0.18lb (80g) heavier.



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    "You donít really graduate from certain problems or certain thingsÖ like you always have to work on trigger control and pulling the trigger straight. " --Ben Stoeger 1/24/2018

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    Last time I was in bear country I just carried my G19.

    I donít know, maybe Iím nuts but I have a lot of training with it, and am pretty good with it, so I just carry it.

  7. #817
    Normally I run the .45 ACP+P 250s at 900+ FPS, but here lately I have been looking seriously at a heavy .40 load.



    I got my G22 back from Maple Leaf where I got the slide cut and finished. I was out shooting it today.

    I am trying hard not to ignore my trusty .45s. but...


    A 170 grain SWC at 1175 is actually a little easier to get fast, precise hits with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost River View Post
    Normally I run the .45 ACP+P 250s at 900+ FPS, but here lately I have been looking seriously at a heavy .40 load.



    I got my G22 back from Maple Leaf where I got the slide cut and finished. I was out shooting it today.

    I am trying hard not to ignore my trusty .45s. but...


    A 170 grain SWC at 1175 is actually a little easier to get fast, precise hits with.


    I bet the .40 out penetrates the .45? How does the .40 feed those loads?
    Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.

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    They are poly coated SWCs and they feed extremely well. I have run a little over 500 of them so far through the gun. It has been my experience the .40 cal Glocks (Gen 3) have never really been noted for their accuracy, but maybe its just this grain weight, or this individual projectile. Whatever it is, the load (out of this Gen 3 gun) seems to produce pretty good groups.


    I just sent some ammo down to a guy who is going to shoot some into some 20% gel for me to see how they do. I am curious to see the results myself.

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    You guys are gonna get me to pull the USPc .40 out of the safe....
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