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  1. #21
    Done. Looking forward to the article.


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    Done.

    1 thing to note is that I may have skewed your results/completed it improperly. My agency doesn't have a mandatory yearly in-service, but rather a shotgun approach. It's mandatory for a field office to fill a given inservice class, but it isn't really tracked by person....so, for example, my field office gets two 24-person, weeklong refresher classes per year....but in my current office, we only have to attend 1 per 2 year tour at the field office. Our last refresher was 1 day of medical (half day tac-med, half day CPR/AED), 1 day of room entry tactics, 1 day of defensive tactics/ground fighting, and the other two days split between legal, FATS simulator/transition drills, etc. They take feedback seriously and modify the course depending on what the office requests, as long as some basic wickets are touched on.

    On top of that, we are able to take a 2 week, residential in-service including all hard skills.

    It's strange, because there isn't a whole lot of minimum, mandatory stuff for us.....yet the agency is overwhelmingly supportive of us seeking out training. It's pretty hard to hit that limit, actually. Recently a 12-week advanced hard skills course was made mandatory for all agents (which requires a 5 week residential course every 5 years to keep current). In addition to being scheduled for that course, in the last year alone I have done the 1 week refresher, an active shooter instructor course, am waitlisted for a tac-med instructor course, slated for a CISD class, did a 1 day bomb course, am slated for a 3 day advanced pistol course next month, was slated for a week long advanced interviewing course that got canned due to a hurricane, did a 2 day special events evacuation planning course, did a 1 week fire as a weapon course with the world's leading fire department, and....I don't know, there's probably more I'm forgetting. The 3 day legal refresher at FLETC is strongly encouraged, and lots of people go back through FLETC for a variety of 3 day-3 week long investigative courses. Our office in particular is awesome, and let's us build contacts and get slots in courses offered by neighboring agencies whether they be state/local or federal.

    We are only required to shoot 3 times a year, but are allowed to shoot during our regular day, and if you're in the DC area you can sign up for however many practice sessions with our instructors that your supervisor will let you. We can also sign up for language training in almost any language we want, and keep a roster in the office so you can find someone skilled in a language for whatever needed. For those of us who are EMTs, we can take in person refreshers if we're in the DC area or at least get 1 hour video-teleconference sessions once a week.

    So, it's odd and some people do the bare minimum (good quality but woefully lacking in frequency), while whores like me can't find enough time for all the training we want to sign up for. The amount/quality of training we can get is just fucking stupendous, if you just ask.....while other people can barely remember which way the bullet goes in the mag, or fail a shotgun qual of 10 rounds at 7 and 15 yards.......
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    completed and shared on FB with other cop buddies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Done.
    It's strange, because there isn't a whole lot of minimum, mandatory stuff for us.....yet the agency is overwhelmingly supportive of us seeking out training. It's pretty hard to hit that limit, actually. Recently a 12-week advanced hard skills course was made mandatory for all agents (which requires a 5 week residential course every 5 years to keep current). In addition to being scheduled for that course, in the last year alone I have done the 1 week refresher, an active shooter instructor course, am waitlisted for a tac-med instructor course, slated for a CISD class, did a 1 day bomb course, am slated for a 3 day advanced pistol course next month, was slated for a week long advanced interviewing course that got canned due to a hurricane, did a 2 day special events evacuation planning course, did a 1 week fire as a weapon course with the world's leading fire department, and....I don't know, there's probably more I'm forgetting. The 3 day legal refresher at FLETC is strongly encouraged, and lots of people go back through FLETC for a variety of 3 day-3 week long investigative courses. Our office in particular is awesome, and let's us build contacts and get slots in courses offered by neighboring agencies whether they be state/local or federal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TGS View Post
    Done.

    1 thing to note is that I may have skewed your results/completed it improperly. My agency doesn't have a mandatory yearly in-service, but rather a shotgun approach. It's mandatory for a field office to fill a given inservice class, but it isn't really tracked by person....so, for example, my field office gets two 24-person, weeklong refresher classes per year....but in my current office, we only have to attend 1 per 2 year tour at the field office. Our last refresher was 1 day of medical (half day tac-med, half day CPR/AED), 1 day of room entry tactics, 1 day of defensive tactics/ground fighting, and the other two days split between legal, FATS simulator/transition drills, etc. They take feedback seriously and modify the course depending on what the office requests, as long as some basic wickets are touched on.

    On top of that, we are able to take a 2 week, residential in-service including all hard skills.

    It's strange, because there isn't a whole lot of minimum, mandatory stuff for us.....yet the agency is overwhelmingly supportive of us seeking out training. It's pretty hard to hit that limit, actually. Recently a 12-week advanced hard skills course was made mandatory for all agents (which requires a 5 week residential course every 5 years to keep current). In addition to being scheduled for that course, in the last year alone I have done the 1 week refresher, an active shooter instructor course, am waitlisted for a tac-med instructor course, slated for a CISD class, did a 1 day bomb course, am slated for a 3 day advanced pistol course next month, was slated for a week long advanced interviewing course that got canned due to a hurricane, did a 2 day special events evacuation planning course, did a 1 week fire as a weapon course with the world's leading fire department, and....I don't know, there's probably more I'm forgetting. The 3 day legal refresher at FLETC is strongly encouraged, and lots of people go back through FLETC for a variety of 3 day-3 week long investigative courses. Our office in particular is awesome, and let's us build contacts and get slots in courses offered by neighboring agencies whether they be state/local or federal.

    We are only required to shoot 3 times a year, but are allowed to shoot during our regular day, and if you're in the DC area you can sign up for however many practice sessions with our instructors that your supervisor will let you. We can also sign up for language training in almost any language we want, and keep a roster in the office so you can find someone skilled in a language for whatever needed. For those of us who are EMTs, we can take in person refreshers if we're in the DC area or at least get 1 hour video-teleconference sessions once a week.

    So, it's odd and some people do the bare minimum (good quality but woefully lacking in frequency), while whores like me can't find enough time for all the training we want to sign up for. The amount/quality of training we can get is just fucking stupendous, if you just ask.....while other people can barely remember which way the bullet goes in the mag, or fail a shotgun qual of 10 rounds at 7 and 15 yards.......
    Federal agencies aren't exactly the target of my article but I'd like to have that info for contrasting.
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    Done. Sorry for the depressing narrative at the end of mine. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwt16 View Post
    Done. Sorry for the depressing narrative at the end of mine. lol
    That's what I'd like to see, a good write up of your personal experience and your personal opinions on the topic.

    I've got my own experiences and opinions, so this is a way for me to get LEOs to share their experience so I can do a fairly in-depth mini-thesis on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gskip View Post
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    Interesting survey, will you be posting results in entirety or just basing your article off of key data points you see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyscooter View Post
    Interesting survey, will you be posting results in entirety or just basing your article off of key data points you see?
    Yes I will be, but slightly redacted as there is always a 1-5% drop off in honesty. I've already had one or two people just make shit up and not answer the questions appropriately.

    Regardless of that, however, I will post the result of the multiple choice questions as pie graphs - google forms automatically generates them so that's easy to do.

    I will be compiling the data and using the answers to contrast against my personal experience.

    I probably should have added agency size, but I do not want to be too specific in nature as I do not want to get into size vs location type arguments, just a broad/general take on the subject.
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    Bump - trying to get a few more before I close it out.
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